MS2-Extra
24 Toothed Distributor Manual
(e.g. Toyota)

Only for use with the MS2-Extra code (HC9S12C64 based microprocessor - MS2 Daughter Board)

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All of these instructions / diagrams are to be used at your own risk, like most things there is more than one way to do the same thing, what we have tried to do is to offer a method that we have tested or that others have tested for us. No warranty expressed or implied.

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If you do have any suggestions or settings that work please let me know Philip.Ringwood(at)ntlworld.com


Main Index of MS2-Extra Manuals

Layout of Components -- Suggested Supply points -- List of common components and part numbers

There appear to be 3 different wheel configurations using the 24 toothed wheels in the distributor, these are mainly found on the Toyota setups and RX7's.

4 Toothed Wheel (Toyota VAST) distributor (2S-E, 22R-E, 22R-TE, 4Y-E and 4A-GE engines) this should be setup as a distributor as the 4 teeth areat 90deg and therefore perfect for the Basic Trigger code, see HERE
Note: The 4A-GE engine has a second VR output (G) this can be ignored, just use the Ne output (4 toothed sensor)

24 + 1 Toothed Wheel (Toyota ESA) inside the distributor using either 2 or 3 VR sensors (Ne, G1 and G2), depending on model. With the 3 VR sensor distributor we are only concerned with 2 of the sensors, one which reads the 24 teeth and one which picks up a single pulse per revolution.
On 4 cylinder engines the third sensor (G2), which also picks up on the single tooth, will be redundant.
On 6 cylinder engines the G1 signal is for cy#6 and G2 is for cy#1, so it is recommended to use G2 instead of G1, therefore making G1 redundant.
This gives the signal for 4 and 6cy engines a 24+1 at cam speed. (Ne + G)

24 + 2 Toothed Wheel (RX7, etc) This is similar to the above in that it has a 24 toothed wheel, but there are also 2 teeth at 180deg apart rather than a single tooth.

Internal Wiring for 24 Toothed Sensor -- Internal Wiring for Single Tooth Sensor -- Schematic Diagram -- Tuning Software Settings

 

Internal Wiring

Spark output comes on D14 (or D14 and D16 if you want to go wasted spark), see HERE for options on driving the coils.

V3.0 PCB (24 toothed sensor)

For Second Input (single tooth sensor) see HERE

V2.2 PCB (24 toothed Sensor)

For Second Input (Single tooth Sensor) see HERE

The circuit below will need to be made for a V2.2 board for the Crank Sensor

DigiKey part numbers:
Farnell part numbers

1K resistor = 1.0KQBK-ND
300R resistor = 330QBK-ND
18K resistor = 18KQBK-ND
39K resistor = 39KQBK-ND
4K7 resistor = 4.7KQBK-ND
1M resistor = 1MQBK-ND
0.01uF Cap = P3103-ND
0.33uF Cap = P10973-ND
330pF Cap = PS1331J-ND
0.1uF Cap = P10967-ND
LM1815N = LM1815N-ND

1K resistor = 509-164
300R resistor = 543-251
18K resistor = 543-688
39K resistor = 543-767
4K7 resistor = 543-548
1M resistor = 544-103
0.01uF Cap = 389-0995
0.33uF Cap = 389-1033
330pF Cap = 867-950
0.1uF Cap = 389-1010
LM1815N = 949-3913


Second Trigger Input (Single tooth Sensor)

Second VR conditioner Circuit - this needs to be built.

DigiKey part numbers:
Farnell part numbers

1K resistor = 1.0KQBK-ND
300R resistor = 330QBK-ND
18K resistor = 18KQBK-ND
39K resistor = 39KQBK-ND
4K7 resistor = 4.7KQBK-ND
1M resistor = 1MQBK-ND
0.01uF Cap = P3103-ND
0.33uF Cap = P10973-ND
330pF Cap = PS1331J-ND
0.1uF Cap = P10967-ND
LM1815N = LM1815N-ND

1K resistor = 509-164
300R resistor = 543-251
18K resistor = 543-688
39K resistor = 543-767
4K7 resistor = 543-548
1M resistor = 544-103
0.01uF Cap = 389-0995
0.33uF Cap = 389-1033
330pF Cap = 867-950
0.1uF Cap = 389-1010
LM1815N = 949-3913

Please note: Above part numbers will need checking, some components will come with a minimum order in multiples of 5 and 10.

Second VR sensor input on pin3 of the DB37 connector on a V3.0 PCB
Second VR sensor input on pin25 of the DB37 connector on a V2.2 PCB

 

Tuning Software Settings

24 + 1 Wheel Settings (Toyota ESA)
24 + 2 Wheel Settings (RX7)

Distributor Based Setups
Wasted Spark Setups
                  
                  

Please note the Tooth #1 Angle will depend on how youve fitted your distributor, ensure you check timing with a strobe as soon as you start the engine!!

If using VB921's for direct control over the coils then set Spark Output to Going High (Inverted) and set dwell to Standard and 3.1mS as Maximum. Also set 6.0mS as Cranking Dwell.

Spark output comes on D14 (or D14 and D16 if you want to go wasted spark), see HERE for options on driving the coils.


Suggested points for Supplies inside the V3.0 ECU

 

 

Component Pinouts

Pull up circuit diagram

List of component part numbers used in the ignition section:

DigiKey part numbers:
Farnell part numbers

2N2222A = 497-2598-5-ND
1N4001 = 1N4001/4GICT-ND
1K resistor = 1.0KQBK-ND
470R resistor = 470QBK-ND
2K resistor = 2.0KQBK-NB
330R resistor = 330QBK-ND
680R resistor = 680QBK-ND
200R resistor = 200QBK-ND
270R resistor = 270QBK-ND
1K5 resistor = 1.5KQBK-ND
4K7 resistor = 4.7KQBK-ND
0.01uF Cap = P3103-ND
4N25 (opto) = 4N25ASHORT-ND

2N2222A = 920-7120
1N4001 = 352-5326
1K resistor = 509-164
470R resistor = 543-305
2K resistor = 543-457
330R resistor = 543-263
680R resistor = 543-342
200R resistor = 543-214
270R resistor = 543-240
1K5 resistor = 543-421
4K7 resistor = 543-548
0.01uF Cap = 389-0995
4N25 (opto) = 102-1090

Please note: Above part numbers will need checking, some components will come with a minimum order in multiples of 5 and 10.


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