Tuner Studio

For discussion of Phil Tobin's Tuner Studio software (Only about the tuning software itself, not about how to tune or firmware features)

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Re: Tuner Studio

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Define slower? Slower at what?
MegaTune is a pretty lean application, it is certainly more light weight.
Naturally I do use it as a baseline for performance though :)

Startup time of TunerStudio is certainly slower. Most of that is initializing the Comm layer, especially if you have non basic Serial devices attached like Bluetooth or some usb serial adapters. There are a few ways for me to avoid this, so I will likely change it.

Once up, dialogs should be more responsive and CPU Utilization for dashboard painting is typically a bit lower that MegaTune in my tests.

But your Hardware and OS are going to impact all of the above. My recommendation would probably be to have at least an 800 MHz processor and not use win95/98/ millennium, those dos based OS'es hate multi threaded apps. But even if you do run on slower hardware, the painting should throttle itself down.
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Re: Tuner Studio

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I tried tonight to use TS with my MS-II chip, v2.2 board code is 2.886 and latest .ini (both are standard right from the MS site, I just loaded them fresh) I've attached a few errors screens that I encountered. It seemed like the program wasn't ever communicating properly with the board, the setup screens went fine until I got to the TPS cal and it wouldn't ever get a value from MS. Also should mention that I have Megatune working on this setup.

FYI - I had TS working with the old alpha on my MS-I chip last week.
err1.jpg
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Re: Tuner Studio

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fwiw: runs on Mac OS X 10.4.11 (when I realised I should run the shell script not launch the jar file directly :oops: )

copes OK with no ECU connected, will try online when I remember where i stashed my USB-serial dongle.

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Re: Tuner Studio

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myk777,
The cluster error is just because even though the gauge cluster was made with a compatable firmware, it wasn't the same. No worries though, I just fixed this yesterday, the next release will not give that warning during setup.
-- I also have redone the record parser so it doesn't error on the missing commas in the ini files. There are just too many especially on the beta/alpha firmwares. So that error will be gone on the next release too.


James,
The gauge cluster will switch from C to F and AFR to O2... on the next release too. I'll put an update out within the next day.
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Re: Tuner Studio

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Nice to see a new application stepping onto the scene. I gave it a whirl on my OS X Hackintosh.. 10.5.2.. Runs good, but the .sh script won't run when you double click it. I had to open a terminal window and type it manually to get the program to run. I've never tried plugging a USB dongle into this thing, so I didn't try connecting to an MS with it yet.
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Actually connecting to a Controller from a mac is what I'm really curious about. Let me know if you get to give it a shot. But it is a good sign that it is running, if it wasn't finding the comm driver it would have probably given you an error and refused to run.

I will get the install cleaned up for Mac and the main Linux distros. It needs a real installer like on windows.... I just haven't gotten to it yet.
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Re: Tuner Studio

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Ok.. Plugged in my serial adapter. Not sure it's actually working, but the light is on.. Primary problem is TunerStudio isn't letting me select a port. Under communications, my only option is MiniTerminal.. And in MiniTerminal, the pull down to select my port is blank, and I can't type in a device name (like TTYS0).
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Ok, I guess the port detection is failing. I have made it so you can free type in the newest, but not quite release version.
Thanks for testing it out.
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Re: Tuner Studio

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LT401Vette wrote:Define slower? Slower at what?
(...)
But your Hardware and OS are going to impact all of the above. My recommendation would probably be to have at least an 800 MHz processor and not use win95/98/ millennium, those dos based OS'es hate multi threaded apps. But even if you do run on slower hardware, the painting should throttle itself down.
it's a 1.5Ghz on Xp pro, i dunno i feel like the guages are less responsive than in MT, and they ocsillate a lot. I ran it for 10 minutes. It may have something to do with the comm port. or the memory... My laptop hasn't been shut down for over 2 months :lol:

Other than that I like it. I'll have the opportunity to use it a lot this weekend at the track, and to show it to other MS users. I'll be checking for updates.
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Re: Tuner Studio

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dave (Megatunix author) had some instructions about identifying USB/serial adaptors on Mac OS X in one of his posts i think.

I think it was something like: open up terminal, go to /dev, list what's there, plug in the dongle, relist the same directory, the new thing will be the device name for the dongle.
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Re: Tuner Studio

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Sure it been stated before, but I could not find it, is this software only for MSII?

Edit, figured you can use MS-I but it does suport HiRes
Edit again ignore my question figured it out!!!
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Re: Tuner Studio

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Don't worry about questions, not much has been said before. :)

All the MegaTune ini files should be supported. In version 0.932 and earlier, there were quite a few ini files that would error, mostly because of missing commas, Version 0.94 isn't so picky. That seemed to be the biggest compatibility problem, MegaTune seems to over look missing commas pretty well, so now this does too.

I would have to say communications have been pretty poor on this so far. I'm happy to keep the user number relatively small for these early waves of testing. There will be more information and communication once those last few dialogs are done and we seem pretty bug free.
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Re: Tuner Studio

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So being that it uses the MegaTune ini files, it'll have similar problems? Such as coolant temp being capped to 215f without some ini file hacking? Was just thinking I should make a mention for a feature request that it support higher coolant temps, but if you're reading the same old ini files, that probably won't happen..
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Re: Tuner Studio

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UnaClocker wrote:So being that it uses the MegaTune ini files, it'll have similar problems? Such as coolant temp being capped to 215f without some ini file hacking? Was just thinking I should make a mention for a feature request that it support higher coolant temps, but if you're reading the same old ini files, that probably won't happen..
Don't be jumping to conclusions :)
It was not built around the ini files, but It does have a loader to load them.

I always try to eliminate the need to edit files. If you wan to raise the gauge temp max:
- right click on it
- Select "Designer Mode"
- Click on the gauge you want to change
- Right click the gauge, select Properties
- Click "Gauge Limits & Values"

A dialog will com up to change the max.
Your changes can be saved, or you will be prompted to save them on exit.

The ini's should only be the defaults, there should be no need to hack ini's once we are all the way up. :)
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Re: Tuner Studio

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Sweet! :)
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Re: Tuner Studio

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My setup still won't connect properly with the .94 alpha release, not sure what's going on, the program gets through the setup portion autodetects the correct chip (I put the latest .ini in the EDU def folder), com port and speed until it gets to the TPS cal and when I press the "get value" button it does nothing, so I skip this and when the main dash comes up the gauges display nothing and it just doesn't seem to be connected to the MS.

MSII v2.2 (code 2.886)

FYI - I do have an laptop with a real serial port

Maybe I should try going back to a different code version?

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Re: Tuner Studio

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Hi!

Thanks for fresh application!

Got it installed on XP.
Didn't try connect to ECU yet.

I see more than one tuning screen can be opened simultaneously! Very desirable feature!
But how to switch between them using keyboard?

Grid allows to be adjusted by mouse.
But lost coarse grid editing using arrows (Ctrl+Shift). It is key feature!

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Re: Tuner Studio

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Looks great, with lots of potential.
I especially like the toolbar navigation style, this makes the menus much more logical.

(Tunerstudio v0.94 / MS/Extra hr_10 project)
found 2 problems (sofar);
- Warmup Wizard results in an error message--> "std_warmup not found in current configuration"
- boost duty target --> 100 is displayed as 99 and strange behavior when changing values.
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Re: Tuner Studio

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myk777
MSII v2.2 (code 2.886), was reading that as 2.86 before, which should be in the build, but if it is 2.886....That is missing.
You never need to copy anything to the ecuDef folder. If you check other and browse to it, it will be done for you. In the end the ini will be placed in the project subfolder projectCfg so the entire project is self contained and can be copied to another computer.

Why you aren't connecting, especially with a standard Serial.... I'm not sure. Especially if you are detecting it... Right now both of my MSII processors are on extra, I'll see if I can get 2.886 on one of them to reproduce it on my end.
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Re: Tuner Studio

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GintsK & smolly,
Thanks for the issues. Warmup wizard is one of the still missing dialogs, but that and accel enrich are under construction.

The others I will look into. A key to cycle through open dialogs would be handy.
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