A few suggestions

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A few suggestions

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For starters, this software is great. As a wanna-be Java developer myself, I get a kick out of your work.

I know you said .96 will be out soon so I'm not sure of the changes. I saw you mentioned a VEX import will maybe be a great help. Once I configured everything in TS, I opened MT to import my VEX.

On the tuning wizards, when you grab the points to move them, it would be nice if the tooltip would suppress after 3 seconds or so. If I am editing values near each other, the tooltip may cover one of the drag points and I have to select a point further away to remove the tooltip.

Other than that, the software seems great.
Oh, and is MS2 Extra 2.0.1 supported? I was getting errors when I selected to calibrate the thermister and AFR table stating that certain files aren't found in the configuration. I ended up setting my project for 2.0.0 since that was the only option I saw. Maybe that's my issue?
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Re: A few suggestions

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0.96 is out. I just put it out there for download and auto update.

Vex import didn't make it. I did actually start that, but decided I needed to stop and get a build out as I was getting too far off from what was out there. VEX import will be in the next release.

For suppressing the tuning tooltip, hadn't thought about that. Let me take a look.

Yes, MS2 Extra is supported. But there are still some dialogs missing. That is when you get the error. As of 0.96 I think the missing ones are:
Calibrate Thermistor Tables
Calibrate AFR Table
Trigger wizard
There might be a couple others, but they aren't coming to mind.

MSII extra is probably the most tested. I'm starting to build quite an inventory of MS units just to be able to test all the different firmwares without swapping processors and re burning. But the MSII extra is using bluetooth so I can test against it from anywhere in the house. Besides, blue tooth raises additional comm problems so I figure by using that during development I won't over look the issues so easy. The main issue is lag in detecting.
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Re: A few suggestions

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Oh, and if you check for an update and it finds one, but you don't do the update, then the dialogs tells you that no update is available and that 0.951 is the latest version.

Again, not criticizing. I do application testing at my job so it's in my nature to try every single option. I'm just helping you make a awesome application even better.
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Re: A few suggestions

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Don't worry, I don't take it as criticism :) I far prefer hearing about problems.

The Auto update still had issues in 0.951. So they show while updating to .96, but the next update should work right, maybe. : :roll:
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Re: A few suggestions

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Well it looks good so far. Ever since I've went from MS1Extra to MS2Extra (as of 2 weeks ago?) I've had nothing but problems with options not being enabled in MT and MT randomly crashing on me when the file dialog was open. This app works wonderfully and it's great on resources too. MLV can slow this laptop down when opening different datalogs without closing the application, but this is running very smooth!
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Re: A few suggestions

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Brill, I'll go download it now :RTFM:

Has 029V MS1 been popped in it ?

Keep up the good work

whats next then ?

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Re: A few suggestions

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Morning Phil

Ok, some feedback for you on the latest release :RTFM:

I have so you are aware : Rover 4.5V8 MS1 V3 MS SnE with EDIS8 029v firmware - I have loaded TS using 029Q


Temps

I have both Megatune and Tuner Studio on a Compaq Tablet in the truck,
I 1st switch on the ignition, loaded MT and the temp read as 25 C, switched to TS and temp was 25 C,
started the engine and let it warm right up (trying the modified WUE having tweaked it vai the graph method :yeah!: started better )
and once warm read the temps, .........both showed 83 C :mrgreen:

However, (and this may be due to me using 029Q vs 029V (which I couldn't see on there ?)
there were 3 warning messages on starting Tuner Studio,
please excuse if the words below are not 100% spot on my writting is appalling :mrgreen:

Warning: Constants entry missing Comma after U08 but corrected
inj2cr = bits U08 11, [6:6], "off", "on"

Warning : Unable to set page for
Barrocor, "&Barrometric Correction", {barrocount}

Warning : ini entry missing comma repaired
VE Table3MAP, "VEtable&3" 0, (useV3)


Would be interested to know what these mean ?



The other rather odd thing was I had a prob with what seems to be the 'closed loop function' ????

Before I started the engine I saved the current MSQ in the ECU to my pendrive,
and then uploaded a new MSQ which was the old one plus the changes to the WUE
done via TS via the graph where I simply dragged the set points to reduce the waveyness of the line and make a more smooth curve,
then saved as the modified file. NO other changes exist on the MSQ other than this.

It was then uploaded into the ECU via Megatune(checked temp) and then I closed MT and opened TS (Checked temp)
both the same and started the engine.

The engine did warm up better due to the now smotther curve (I use a bosch 2 wire Valve 0280 140 516) and then the odd thing seemed to happen

I have my Valve set so that tickover (ie closed valve) is around 78 degrees C, yet at 83 it was still at the high level of rpm :?: .
I closed TS opened MT and the same, I relaoded the old MSQ and the tickover restored itself (closed loop) then open TS and still OK.
Basically I messed about with both MSQs and both MT and TS seems that the MSQ is somehow not working 100% correctly from the minor mods to the MSQ on TS - again is this becuase I used 029Q to make the mods and then used an ECU with 029V, or is there anything maybe with TS WUE Table modifers which may explain this or need a lookie at ?

If you need anything else from me please feel free to ask, happy to help

What I am going to try is to open both MSQs in MT compare Values in WUE and modify in MT the MSQ placing the new values in and then see if that is 100% k, and will report back :RTFM:

Regards

Nige

PS any chance you could pop 029V into the next release pretty please 8) ?
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Re: A few suggestions

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OK

Opened the MSQ that I had altered using TS where I tweaked the WUE - and opened it in Megatune, wrote doen the numeric values for WUE.
Opened the Old (working) MSQ, changed in Megatune WUE table and popped in the new numbers
Saved, and loaded into ECU Via Megatune, started and everything is fine.


Took the original (unmodified WUE Tables) opened in TS, changed the values, saved and ran - same prob WUE stays at the higher rpm instead of dropping ?
Is this a glitch, or is it that I have 029v and have to use 029Q at the mo ?

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Re: A few suggestions

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Nige,
Could you send me both msq's and I'll take a look.

Didn't 29V run on the 29q ini file? That is why I have that one labeled 29q-29w, because there were firmware changes, but the signature and ini stayed the same. Or did the signature change sometime before w? I don't think so, I am running my car on 29w with the 29q ini.
If a 29v ini does exist and you have it, shoot it this way.

Those warnings... Apparently you have "Report Corrected ini Warnings" on :)
That is for the guys writing the ini files. If common ini errors are spotted but corrected a warning is written out. If you look at the warning messages, they pretty much tell you what they mean. I.e the first one:
inj2cr = bits U08 11, [6:6], "off", "on"
Should be:
inj2cr = bits, U08, 11, [6:6], "off", "on"

It is just missing the commas after bits and U08. Normally those fields are split on the comma, but it isn't there. MegaTune loads them fine anyway. Originally my ini loader was using the comma as a delimiter, but now it also uses a space if it isn't in a String. That is what I suspect MegaTune is doing too and why it loads them even though they are actually a syntax error. I left the warning messages in there so anyone writing an ini would be able to spot them easier.

All Warning messages during ini load won't hurt anything, it was understood even if it did have a syntax error. If TSMS doesn't understand a line, it will write an Error. Those will be displayed whether you have "Report Corrected ini Warnings" on or not.
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Re: A few suggestions

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for 029V MS1 V3 Ms SnE would that be the S19 file ??

If so I have that and can ping over ????

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I won't need the s19, just the ini. The s19 would have changed between q and V, but the ini I didn't think did. The S19 is the firmware for the controller though, TSMS doesn't need it.
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Re: A few suggestions

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LT401Vette wrote:I won't need the s19, just the ini. The s19 would have changed between q and V, but the ini I didn't think did. The S19 is the firmware for the controller though, TSMS doesn't need it.
Erm

Ok "Lesson Time"

How do I get to the ini file your after please ?
Then I'll send it to you

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Re: A few suggestions

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I checked into it, the 29q ini file is used for all the way through w. There were changes to the S19, but not the ini. I'll come up with a way to make this more clear in the UI.
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