TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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I just put out 0.96 for download or auto update.
The auto update will still not close the app correctly and restart, it will more likely start a second instance of the app, but it will still be 0.951. This is because that bug is in .951 so until you are running the new code.... So you will need to close all instances down after auto update completes, then start the app and it will finish the update.

What is has changed in .96.. There have been changes all over, from comm revamping to clean up of the dash designer.
You will see if is much easier to multi select in designer mode, you can move a group at once by keyboard, but still can't drag them all by mouse at once.

The comm doesn't scan for ports on your computer any longer. I will put this back, as I have a few good ideas in mind to get around the hang problem on some computers.

The Warmup wizard dialog is there.
The only dialogs that are still not available are:
Calibrate Thermistor
Calibrate AFR
Trigger Wizard
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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had a chance to download and check the figures tonight.

Still notice between 2-3 degree variation whilst in degree's celcius between Tuner Studio and megatune.
Biggest variation that is more of a concern is the AFR. MT reads 13.8 and Tuner reads 11.2

liking the appearance of the warmup wizard , much better way of displaying it.

I'll keep comparing and see what else i can come up with.


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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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What firmware are you using?
What WB sensor are you using?
Where is the AFR reading different from MT? Gauges, Tables?
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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sorry i'm using 029Q firmware
Original build with LC1 configured 10-20afr 0-5v wideband output to 0volt at 10afr and 5 volt at 20afr.
In MT I have selected as 0-5 LINEAR, and the LC1 is setup to be 0v=10:1 and 5v=20:1 xover point in MT is 2.352.

In Tuner Studio I'm using now the default analogue dash, switch point is the same as it is in MT so next i'll have a look at the configuration file, I originally just loaded my default msq from MT so assumed it would interpret this correctly.

Yes just confirmed in Tunerstudio project properties has Innovate LC-1 default 0-5V selected.
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Yes just confirmed in Tunerstudio project properties has Innovate LC-1 default 0-5V selected.
It should be "Innovate, PLX 0-5V 10:1-20:1"
The LC-1 default is setup for if you are using the default programming of the LC-1 which is 0.5-1.5 lambda or 9.35:1 - 22.05:1 at 0-5V

For the sensors, are you using GM sensors or have you re-calibrated and copied the inc files to your projectCfg folder?
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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I was just testing out on a Linux machine. I needed to create a new project and it was a bit of a mess. Errors connecting to Com10 ???? But it did successfully connect to /dev/ttys0.
Once finished it didn't open the project correctly either.
However, once closing the app, restarting and opening the project all is good.
It looks like the comm changes cause these errors if you create a new project while the controller is attached and detected.

I'll get this cleaned up along with some streamlining I wanted to do to new project.
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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ok i'll try that out tonight. i didn't manually set it from memory though so thats strange...


Ok yes that fixed that one up. As for the sensors, yes i'm using GM sensors purchased from Glens Garage i think.
The coolant temperature is almost spot on, just a degree variation. But the IAT is off by a half. MT said 8 degrees and Tuner studio saids 16 degrees.

Is this me or tuner studio?
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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Absolutely love the WUE Graphical view much superior, at a glance I can see where I can make an improvement 8)

Did get 3 errors on loading, will write down and post up, maybe its as I have 029V and am using 029Q on TS ?

Temp seems much closer to correct, when I get a mo I will have a good test n play and report back

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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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Phil!
This works alot better, but I still have some usb-serial issues. When I sellect the com port and press test port, it still says failed after a while. But if I reset TS and load the project then it says "project name" is online but its not getting any data, there is a red cross over the red/green leds. But if I let it stay there for a while, then it starts to recive data and then it works perfectly. But it takes to long time to get connected!
When I starts a new project and let it scearch for the code, it cant find the correct code, it just looking and looking for the correct code, but it cant find it. So I have to find the code version my self!

I also have a bluetooth connection that I use with megatune, and after I change a linie in the ini file then it work fine in megatune. But I cant get it to work in TS. But thats not importent yet! Lets wait whith that problem untill it works better with the usb-serial adaptor!
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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Whatis a while? 15 seconds or minutes?
Does test connection work any better if you go the from the communications menu after opening a pre-existing project? Does that initiate it going online?

What usb cable are you using?

I would go ahead and try the bluetooth, but don't edit the ini file. I actully do most of my testing via bluetooth. The app should tune itself to the bluetooth timings. Try unplugging the usb serial plug first in case that is what is causing the slow connections.


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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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Ausloki,
I am away from home, but happened to bring an MS1 extra 29 contoller with me. I finally got to a place I could check the temps.

How are you chrcking? Are you on a stim or a car?

I needed to check this out because being close is serious problem. This isn't horse shoes, 2 degrees off is as bad as 100. The same core components are doing the calculations as when you are doing any tuning. That would be bad.

I just rechecked everything and it is coming in dead on. Same results in MT and TSMS for both CLT and IAT.

I am running on a bench with a Jim Stim and have the default thermfactor.inc in both apps.

Is there any chance you have altered or recalibrated thermfactor.inc files in MT?

Thanks for looking in to this for me, like I said I see it as a serious problem if there is any mis calculation occuring.
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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If it helps I have the latest TS .96 update and Megatune on my onboard Tablet

I'll see what both show on pre stsrt up (ie from cold) and then when fully warmed and report back

....this would be for a Rover V8 MS1 V3 029V MS SnE EDIS 8

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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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definately no alterations to thermfactor.

This is on the vehicle not a stim, Mazda KL engine
http://progressivenetworks.com.au/my626 ... php?id=298
http://progressivenetworks.com.au/my626 ... php?id=297
http://progressivenetworks.com.au/my626 ... php?id=299

As i said CLT is within a couple of degrees of the MT value, IAT though is double the figure, I thought as i'm running in celcius maybe the IAT
was still running the stock Fahrenheit conversion with the default gauge.
LT401Vette wrote:Ausloki,
I am away from home, but happened to bring an MS1 extra 29 contoller with me. I finally got to a place I could check the temps.

How are you chrcking? Are you on a stim or a car?

I needed to check this out because being close is serious problem. This isn't horse shoes, 2 degrees off is as bad as 100. The same core components are doing the calculations as when you are doing any tuning. That would be bad.

I just rechecked everything and it is coming in dead on. Same results in MT and TSMS for both CLT and IAT.

I am running on a bench with a Jim Stim and have the default thermfactor.inc in both apps.

Is there any chance you have altered or recalibrated thermfactor.inc files in MT?

Thanks for looking in to this for me, like I said I see it as a serious problem if there is any mis calculation occuring.
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Is there any chance of running it on a Stim to make sure your input is consistent? I'll assume that if it was only a couple degrees on CLT that was just drift during the time you switched from one app to the other. I wonder if IAT is getting set to a different OutputChannel.
Maybe try right clicking on it, find "Manifold Air Temp"

That should reset everything to the same as MegaTune on the IAT.
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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Someone else running extra 29 has reported IAT's were about 15/16'c lower on TSMS than on MT. So you are not alone. The problem must exist, I just haven't figured out how to reproduce it yet.

I'll do more digging. If possible, could you zip up your whole project folder, less data logs and send it to me at p_tobin@yahoo.com

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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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No chance you have ever used Easy Therm on your setup? If you are using GM sensors, I am guessing not, but I have to ask.
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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Ok same situation on Simulator. MT shows a value half pretty much of what Studio does.
Tried change default gauge layout to Manifold air temp to reset the display. no difference, except when i went back to MT now i get an ini error.

LT401Vette wrote:Is there any chance of running it on a Stim to make sure your input is consistent? I'll assume that if it was only a couple degrees on CLT that was just drift during the time you switched from one app to the other. I wonder if IAT is getting set to a different OutputChannel.
Maybe try right clicking on it, find "Manifold Air Temp"

That should reset everything to the same as MegaTune on the IAT.
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Why would you get an ini error in MT? Did you edit the ini?

If is a constant amount off or is it a percentage, so it get worse as you go higher?

Can you zip up the project folder ;ess any log and send it to me at p_tobin@yahoo.com

Thanks should let me see what you are seeing. :)
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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already have, Its a constant amount off. Studio always shows double the actual figure.

Ok have loaded Megatunix for another comparison on same PC, results later.
LT401Vette wrote:Why would you get an ini error in MT? Did you edit the ini?

If is a constant amount off or is it a percentage, so it get worse as you go higher?

Can you zip up the project folder ;ess any log and send it to me at p_tobin@yahoo.com

Thanks should let me see what you are seeing. :)
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Re: TunerStudioMS 0.96 released

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OK hold everything Phil.

Megatunix is showing the same information as Tuner studio. therefore i'm of the beleif that MT is showing the incorrect details
law of averages and all that.


ausloki wrote:already have, Its a constant amount off. Studio always shows double the actual figure.

Ok have loaded Megatunix for another comparison on same PC, results later.
LT401Vette wrote:Why would you get an ini error in MT? Did you edit the ini?

If is a constant amount off or is it a percentage, so it get worse as you go higher?

Can you zip up the project folder ;ess any log and send it to me at p_tobin@yahoo.com

Thanks should let me see what you are seeing. :)
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