Coarse tuning increments ?

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Coarse tuning increments ?

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When trying to tune tables I'm only able to change in 1 degree increments in the ignition table and 1 AFR in the AFR table. The VE table works as expected with 1% increments though. (I'm using BG MSII v2.886) Do I miss something obvious or is it a bug?
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Are you incrementing on the 3D table view or the 2D table viewer? With the 3D being the one found under the tuning menu.
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I think I see what you mean. It looks like the 3D table is always incrementing by 1, let me look into it.
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Re: Coarse tuning increments ?

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Yep... I wasn't setting the minimum increment value, so it was just defaulting to 1. It is fixed now for the next release.

Thanks for reporting it!
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Re: Coarse tuning increments ?

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Thanks Phil, this is an awesome program, I look forward to the next release. I had hoped to do some AE tuning with the new AE wizard but I scattered a U-joint and broke the rear yoke today so no more tuning for a while :(
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I had hoped to do some AE tuning with the new AE wizard but I scattered a U-joint and broke the rear yoke today


Ouch.... Been there a few times...
Well on the bright side when you get it back together I will have the next release out. I have made a number of improvements to the AE wizard already :)
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Re: Coarse tuning increments ?

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Along the same topic here, while in the VE Table 3D tuning how do you increment the "dot" up and down via the keyboard? I've tried every key I can think of and the only one that does anything is the "-" key which decrements the value by 5 units, the "+" key and any others seem to have no effect, would be very handy to increment up and down by one unit with the keyboard. Also the arrows move the "dot" to different bins, this makes sense however is there a "follow" mode for the "dot" so that it tracks the actual bins realtime? thanks

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Shift Up
Shift Down

Add Control and it increments by 5.

Totally not obvious unless you are used to using those in MegaTune...... The mouse is nice to have working, but not so good for precision, keyboard is a must :)
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Ahh thanks that works fine I knew that it had to be in there, I never used that in Megatune, I always used the Q and W keys, they were nice and quick way of incrementing without having to hold two keys down. I agree with the mouse, seems almost a novelty at least in my situation.

How about my othere question above about having the "dot" follow the actual engine parameters, is that already there too? Thanks, this thing is looking great.

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No, there isn't any follow right now, but that is pretty simple. I can take care of that :)
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on a similar note, i did some tuning today and decided to adjust the MAP and RPM scales on the fuel table. I ended up going back to MT to do it because in TS the MAP labels kept reverting back to the saved number every single time i adjusted a cell value. (this is all offline). I tried changing the map values one at a time and saving after each one, but some of them would revert back before i could even save it! This particular row was trying to change the MAP value from 35 to 40. After I used MT to set the scales and re-loaded, there was no further issue editing the fuel cells.
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Dave,
If I have it right; you were trying to adjust the Y Axis Bins (MAP) bins on the VE table.
So you were clicking on the grey bin,
it would pop up a dialog,
you entered the new value of 40,
click Ok,
it would take,
then revert back...

Revert back after how long? Was there any other action you were taking that would trigger the revert back?
You are on an MS1, correct?

I just need to get a bit more detail to see if I can reproduce this.

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Dave,
Never mind. It looks like I have reproduced it :|

All it takes is opening another VE table and the changes aren't there.... Thanks again for letting me know! I'll get it fixed.
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Re: Coarse tuning increments ?

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I think I have found another slight problem with opening and editing VE tables while offline.

These are the steps I perform:
- I edit my tables in Megalogviewer
- I open Tuner Studio and load my last saved tune (msq), Lets call this tune msq "A"
- I do a 'Save Tune As' to create a new msq, Lets call this tune msq "B"
- I cut and paste my tables from Megalogviewer into msq "B" one table at a time, doing a 'Save Tune' after each paste.
- When I am done I exit Tuner Studio
- Tuner Studio tells me I have unsaved changes and asks me if I want to save changes, I say "yes" This is strange, there should be no unsaved changes as I have saved the tune (msq "B") after each table paste.
- I restart Tuner Studio and open msq "B" and only the 1st table I changed was saved! Other table cut&paste that were done are not in msq "B"
- I open msq "A" and all my edits are in this file. It looks like Tuner Studio over-wrote my original, previous tune (msq "A") even though I did a 'save as' and thought I I making all my changed in msq "B".

Why was msq "A" over-wrote with new data even though I had done a 'save as' before the edits?

Why did Tuner Studio tell me there were unsaved changes on closing msq "B" even though I had done a 'save tune' several times during the edits?

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Steve, Thanks for the heads up. It looks as though when you do the Save as, it isn't changing the working file name and is still working against the original msq you opened. So you you go to exit and it prompts you to save, it saves the changes to all the tables back to the original msq. Same thing with each successive save.

I'll get this fixed right away too. I just need to get the a few things buttoned up for a new release, I sort of crawled down a few golfer holes, so I won't have it out until next weekend. I have made quite a few improvements though, new gauge renderers, counter clockwise gauges, a new dash layout. And Iam working on the afr/temp table burner now.
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Dave,
Now I'm confused.... I could swear I reproduced your problem last night, when I checked the code where I though the problem might be it all looked fine. And I haven't been able to reproduce here or on a machine that I have 0.975 installed on.

If you can reproduce it, please give me the steps.

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Re: Coarse tuning increments ?

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1. load up the fuel VE table
2. decide that you want to change all of the Y axis MAP values and x axis RPM values. in some cases the same map value is moved to a different row, cause for some copy-paste action.
3. Start adjusting the cells to about what they should be for what you did to the map values.

In my case the original table had a row with a map value of 55. the new table went from 60 to 50, i omitted the 55 to free up a row i wanted to add down around 35. the MAP of 55 kept re-appearing on the Y axis, I couldn't seem to get rid of it. every time i changed a cell or re-opened the VE table it came back.
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Ok got it now. Looks like the key was to start adjusting the cells.
Interesting though, if I start adjusting cells, it reverts back, but if I open another ve table window it is showing the correct (new) values there... I'm not sure where it is pulling the original values from..... Well now that I can reproduce it, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out....
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The component was caching the original values...
It is fixed now for the next release.

Thanks for spotting that!
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:yeah!:
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