Firmware Reload Problem

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Firmware Reload Problem

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Hi men, its been a while.
Short story is suddenly Tunerstudio wont allow me to update/upgrade the firmware. I usually communicate with the ECU via bluetooth for tuning but serial for firmware flashing.

Back story is i upgraded both my tablet and laptop to Win 10. Once i sorted the USB/serial drivers and loading up the latest release of TS (Vers 3.0.22), Im able to establish both Bluetooth and serial connection and play with tuning settings. All good there.

However, i am unable to update the firmware.
In the first screen, TS looks for the ECU ans instead of identifying the ECU returns "Unknown Monitor Found"
So i try DETECT and it finds the ECU on the correct port, the firmware version (3.4.2) Serial signature blah blah etc.

So click next and the next dialogue tells me:
FOUND: Unknown Monitor Version
AVALABLE FIRMWARES: Loading firmware to this device is not supported by this application:
Unknown Monitor Version

The option to browse to firmware versions is disabled.

This same issue happens using the tablet or the laptop with bluetooth commnicatiuon or serial.

I cant find any reference to this issue in the MS manual nor by searching the forum.
Any help with this would be appreciated.
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2017-06-15_20.19.10.msq
TunerStudioAppDebug.txt
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Re: Firmware Reload Problem

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If TunerStudio isn't working you might need to use the text-based loader that comes in the firmware zip.

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Re: Firmware Reload Problem

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There was an issue in .22 detecting some monitors.

This is fixed in the beta .23

You can try the beta from:
https://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/beta/
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Re: Firmware Reload Problem

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Thanks gents

The "back story" to the back story is ive always had issues with the ECU resetting when communicating in bluetooth. It presents as a slight missfire about once every 5 minutes or so. No problems as a rule. Ive logged it, Ive tried any of the workarounds but it just happens so I just ignore it.

More recently, I ve had some resets that have resulted in far longer hesitations. Fiorst time it happend it was like the engine was invoking a rev limit and the motor was regularly "bashing" against it at anything abover 1/2 throttle and about 4000rpm (circa)
. Pulled the clutch, revved it up, it "seemed" to clear out, rode on and no more thought.

I subsequently pulled and cleaned the entire fuel system in case of gunge or possibly trapped air in the setup I had so all rejigged.

On the last extended ride, the bike shut down completely.
Firstly looked at all fuses and connections. ignition on and relays click and fuel pump runs AND is pumping. (I can see the fuel return in the tank!)
Cranking the bike over shows RPM, trigger synch and all the correct green flags, fuel pump runs correctly just nothing.

Put the injectors and ignition into test mode and nothing...? Ahhh mebbe a dodgey ignition/injector relay/fuse? Checked, swapped relays and fuses. Nope.
Having a quick think about ringing the tow truck, touched nothing on the bike, tested ignition and injectors again...voilah, ignition and injectors ticking. Hit the starter and lights up as normal.

Ride on, over the span of an hour it shut down 3 more times but only for a few seconds at most. This now with the tablet and bluetooth unplugged and both disabled.
Strangely, if i throttle it, nothing, get straight off the throttle and it just idles away, reve it up a few times and off i go.

So, my thinking is to re-load the firmware as a start.
Some time ago, I had an injector driver transistor failure and the Firmware got corrupted as a result and the bike died completely. On the side of the road, I reflashed the ECU and it ran again, albeit on one cylinder but got it home on one cylinder. ECU was repaired and all good until now.

So, Ill rule out the firmware BEFORE i go madly delving into the ignition/injector wiring and relay.

Any further thoughts on this would be welcome!!!

Cheers
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Re: Firmware Reload Problem

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I donloaded the TS beta .23, uninstalled .22 and loaded the new one up.
Still "Unknown Monitor Version"
So i dragged out my very old and very faithful XP based laptop. See if to rule out some type of compatibility issue with the Win 10 upgrade to the new laptop and tablet. I installed TS.23, connected it up and its all having a nice little chat.

Go for the firmware upgrade under Tools, Nope, still an "Unknown Monitor" . This is getting far stranger now given that i have loaded formware several times already to this ECU via the Firmware tool within TS.

Until James suggested it, I didnt realise there was a DOS based loader hidden in the firmware package.
So, bottom line is I have now successfully reloaded the latest MSExtra firmware package via that method and all things are in order for a test run to see if its a firmware issue or a hardware issue causing the shutdowns.

For shits and giggles, I re-connected the Win10 laptop and tried doing a firmware upgrade again..nope. Unknown Monitor blah blah again.
Im guessing its something strange going on in the ECU itself now given that 3 different machines fail to work.

Im quite happy to do any firmware revisions via the DOS method but it might be something worth looking at at coding level?

Cheers men
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Re: Firmware Reload Problem

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What kind of box is it?

It sounds like TS is missing some monitor version.
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Re: Firmware Reload Problem

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Sorry for delay Phill. My reply post didnt post for some reason!!!

Its a Microsquirt (V3....IIRC) Bought from DIYAutotune.com in the last 18 months or so.
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Re: Firmware Reload Problem

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I would be interested in seeing a Comm Debug of it doing the detect. That would show what monitor number it is returning so I could see if I was missing one.

I believe there is a work around in the latest beta .25, but it is just falling back to the signature to identify the hardware if it doesn't know the monitor version. That is less than ideal and some firmware signatures don't give a specific answer. Not to mention if the wrong firmware is loaded.
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Re: Firmware Reload Problem

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LT401Vette wrote:I would be interested in seeing a Comm Debug of it doing the detect. That would show what monitor number it is returning so I could see if I was missing one.
Ill give it a try. I didnt actually set one up initially.

The strange part is it all worked flawlessly before moving to Win 10.
HOWEVER, when i loaded TS to a very old XP laptop, same drama despite the different version of TS.

no biggie for me now I know how to attack it as i didnt know about the DOS loader in there!!!!!

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Did you find a fix? I last successfully ran the car with MSDroid connected last year. Now I have this monitor issue after the car sat for 8 months the or so. I lost the harddrive so everything used thst year, 3.4.2 tune gone except what was on ms2
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Re: Firmware Reload Problem

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No mate
Still wont connect up via TunerStudio for fimware update. I keep forgetting to stup a debug file for Phill to have a play with. I will get to it tho.
Ive just been using the command window.

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Tassuperkart wrote:No mate
Still wont connect up via TunerStudio for fimware update. I keep forgetting to stup a debug file for Phill to have a play with. I will get to it tho.
Ive just been using the command window.

Cheers
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Latest Beta version.

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Re: Firmware Reload Problem

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Could you turn on Comm Debug, try it, then send me the TunerStudioAppDebug.txt?

What sort of hardware do you have?
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