Bosch K-Jetronic and ms2extra (FrankenCIS)

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Re: Bosch K-Jetronic and ms2extra (FrankenCIS)

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jsmcortina wrote:Steve, could you clarify what this has become?

Your website says "Megasquirt based" but then goes on to say that it runs on a Power PC. So which is it?

If it uses Megasquirt hardware, you can link to your site from here, but not otherwise.

James
The digital WUR and the other existing variations listed in this thread are actually PWM controlled via MS, modified MS2E does the closed loop fuel control, VE table temperature compensation etc.

EDIT: Ah, his webpage changed since I last looked.
Should have kept the projects separated, had a link to the next project on his webpage.
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Re: Bosch K-Jetronic and ms2extra (FrankenCIS)

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Hi James,
The website is in flux at the moment so is a single page dump which confuses things a bit, I thought I'd removed all references while we got ourselves organised
It's currently Microsquirt based and will probably remain that way for the DIY version.

The Qorivva project is a separate and more commercially complicated thing
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Re: Bosch K-Jetronic and ms2extra (FrankenCIS)

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stevevp, Have a link for the test firmware for MS2?
Finally have a spare MS2 CPU and a std mainboard to try it out again.
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Re: Bosch K-Jetronic and ms2extra (FrankenCIS)

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http://www.frankencis.com/support/

CIS-E requires our hardware interface between the DPR/EHA and the MicroSquirt
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The firmware is compiled for MicroSquirt, and has not been tested on an ordinary MS2
so you may be best grabbing the source and recompiling
similarly the INI file is uSquirt only and must be adjusted to match the MSII
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K-Jet upgraded to KE-Jet under the guise of 'Development' and run by our trusty old MicroSquirt v2.0
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Re: Bosch K-Jetronic and ms2extra (FrankenCIS)

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stevevp wrote:I don't have a CIS-E system or DPR here at present so I'll be doing the CIS-E code last - volunteer test subjects most welcome :)
From the specs I can find the DPR is 19ohms, and probably driven PWM with some form of series load in the bosch ecu, as without it duty at load would have to be around 5% or less to get down to the specified current.
DPR 19 ohms pwm (at 100hz?) with an unconfirmed range of 0-140ma with normal operation between 10-35
roughly rounded, 19ohms at 12v gives 600ma and at 13.8 gives 720ma so starting duty to get 40ma would be 40/720=0.055556 or around 5.5% duty
an additional 160ohms in series should bring it to 33.5ma at 50% duty so the factory DPR operation range would need to be established to choose a suitable series load.
The reverse polarity only seems to be for fuel cut so I'm guessing the planned INJ2 output and the H-Bridge setup could be ignored completely if deceleration/rev-limit fuel management was not a priority
Kudos to someone for making this work! Understandably the MS moderators would be reluctant to support such a project because most people just throw away their CIS/CIS-E system in favor of EFI. And typically there isn't much performance gain to be had from adjusting fueling. But besides these legacy systems, there are some new applications which use a PWM or duty cycle control on a fuel metering valve. Throttle body injection or a metering valve are common on stationary gas engines with low pressure gas injection.

I did a lot of testing on the KE2.5 Jetronic 0 280 800 180. (KE2.5 is standalone fuel control on early Mk2 VW, such as 1.8L GTI 16V. KE3 is combined fuel and spark control on later Mk2 VW, such as 2.0L GTI 16V.)
  • -50 to 150mA is confirmed with an 18ohm DPR valve. (Don't let it march up this far though, upwards of 100mA and the engine runs like crap.)
  • HS and LS control on the valve. When HS voltage > LS voltage the valve opens. Difference across the DPR with resistance 18ohms equals drive current. In overrun fuel cut and fuel cut rev limit HS voltage < LS voltage and the valve is pinched closed at -50mA.
  • Bi-level fixed current output when WOT switch is closed and running open loop. The output level appears to be hardware wired, though it is possible with chip tuning to alter the switching RPM point.
@stevep, why did you choose PWM control over duty cycle? For electronic controls to simulate an analog device isn't drive at a fixed frequency/PWM preferrable and then just vary the duty cycle to control the current?

For reference, here are similar circuit diagrams:
http://www.autolib.diakom.ru/CARS2/main ... t_ver1.pdf
Pins 4 and 5 are the DPR control.

http://www.autolib.diakom.ru/CARS2/main ... ke3jet.pdf
http://www.servotech.spb.ru/library/BOO ... _locon.pdf
Pins 4 and 5 are the DPR control.
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Re: Bosch K-Jetronic and ms2extra (FrankenCIS)

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the firmware is running fixed frequency and variable duty cycle PWM

http://www.frankencis.com/support
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