ECO Mode
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ECO Mode
I have built and installed two Megasquirt MS3 controllers for friends of mine. We all have 3.8 L V6 turbocharged Buick Grand Nationals. I have just purchased a MS3 for myself. I'm the type of person who likes to have the best of both worlds, in this case performance and fuel economy . I'm impressed with the performance and tuning capabilities of the Megasquirt ECU. What I would like to have is an ECO mode. I believe many modern cars switch off fuel injectors randomly during periods of lite cruse. This would add another great option and benefit for many users.
What do you think James?
What do you think James?
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Re: ECO Mode
why not have a programmable output control a relay interrupting 12 volt feeds to 2 injectors
for example off above 1600 rpm and below 70 Kpa MAP
cruising conditions!
for example off above 1600 rpm and below 70 Kpa MAP
cruising conditions!
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Re: ECO Mode
In a system like this are the injectors that are only cut? I just worked with an ls3 that had the displacement on demand system and the intake lifters are cut out too, so no fuel or intake valve are used. I could see just cutting an injector would cause power loss from static compression and then introducing a full cylinder of air into the exhaust causing a lean condition fattening up the other injectors defeating the idea your trying accomplish
I guess you could learn open loop what the new afr is, you could afr table switch, but we're still fighting static conpression
I guess you could learn open loop what the new afr is, you could afr table switch, but we're still fighting static conpression
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Re: ECO Mode
It doesn't work.
Simply shutting off some injectors leaves the pumping losses in place and you don't gain any efficiency. Read up on and understand why displacement on demand works the way it does.
James
Simply shutting off some injectors leaves the pumping losses in place and you don't gain any efficiency. Read up on and understand why displacement on demand works the way it does.
James
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Re: ECO Mode
I understand now, just turning off injectors is only part of the program.
Thanks James
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Re: ECO Mode
Something that the ECU CAN do ...My old VW will cruise at 22:1 AFR, if you have better chambers leaner might be stable.
(running sequential, will not quite pull it running batch, 18-19ish is about where lean surge/misses kicks in in batch)
Need to have the right WBO2 to try this tho, also IIRC the FW won't deal with fuel calcs/WB corrections past 25.5:1.
(running sequential, will not quite pull it running batch, 18-19ish is about where lean surge/misses kicks in in batch)
Need to have the right WBO2 to try this tho, also IIRC the FW won't deal with fuel calcs/WB corrections past 25.5:1.
Always doing things the hard way, MS2 sequential w/ v1.01 mainboard, LS2 coils. 80 mile/day commuter status.
Re: ECO Mode
Piledriver what on earth are your driving?! I am curious to hear about engine etc. 22 is impressive lean running for any water cooler VW. I have never seen any real benefit from full sequential, but that is quantifiable right there!!!
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Re: ECO Mode
Once you have sequential you can run semi sequential or even std batch, and do a back to back.T3Bunny wrote:Piledriver what on earth are your driving?! I am curious to hear about engine etc. 22 is impressive lean running for any water cooler VW. I have never seen any real benefit from full sequential, but that is quantifiable right there!!!
The fuel savings alone make it worth it in a daily, asp given the adapter boards for $12-15 (currently running one on MS2, no mainboard mods, drops in) Does require an MS3x or equivalent board using Jeans 4 channel driver or similar, but with an MS3X its set jumper config mostly on the adapter and go. (I dropped it into my MS3 box for testing)
Using the first iteration of that MS2 adapter with a pair of injectors swapped, I could just barely pull 18:1 at cruise.
WBO2 is a 14.7.com oem "eval kit" kit, the olde JAW 1.03 would allow me to run 22:1 as it would read to free air. (34.7:1 or therabouts)
I should probably put it back in...it has a serial port allowing easy calibration vs the MS on the WB analog out.
The OEM board swings the output to min/max during warm up, allowing you to set the MS analog in up reasonably, 10-20:1 range.
(the higher end units do similar, but to free air like the original JAW)
The MS can only deal with 25.5:1 max.
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I can get it to ping a little on really hot days @~1800 RPM nailing the throttle, get a little tinkle after a good hiway run for a half second....
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...with an additional 27 degrees of timing.
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Always doing things the hard way, MS2 sequential w/ v1.01 mainboard, LS2 coils. 80 mile/day commuter status.
Re: ECO Mode
I have never switched ANY engine from batch to full sequential and not realized tangible benefits, and have tuned several engines that reasonable operation throughtout the speed and load range was not possible in batch fire (all 90 degree v-8's with the very common "converted single plane" manifold). Most of the time you simply notice smoother transients though.T3Bunny wrote:Piledriver what on earth are your driving?! I am curious to hear about engine etc. 22 is impressive lean running for any water cooler VW. I have never seen any real benefit from full sequential, but that is quantifiable right there!!!
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