was MS3Pro-Ultimate Concept Idea

[MS2tester]

something along the lines as this ?

[Reverant]

It is possible that I may recognize the ECU above.

[racingmini_mtl]

That is good example of not respecting many licenses on both the hardware and the firmware.

Jean

[jsmcortina]

As far as I was aware, Dimitris does buy and discard mainboards to respect the license.

James

[retired]

Wow,

Someone has just brought this to my attention.

We have had a major difference of opinion on this on another forum a while ago.

I use my own motherboard with an MS2 card because the B&G mainboard is not "fit for purpose" for what I need.
I don't publicise it and I don't sell it, it's just for my own use.
The card came with a partial kit so I have the un-used B&G board (built for testing but not used).
Last time you told me I was in breach of the licence I suggested whether I should I chop 1.4mm off the edge so I could slide it under my own board (I use modern metric 100mm boards and cases rather than the antiquated USA 4" stuff) and you dismissed me.

So are you now saying it's OK ??

Your licence currently says

"MS2 cards are only licensed for use with Bowling and Grippo mainboards.
This license does not give permission to use the "S19" file on other
hardware or to use the "INI" file to tune other hardware"

So what does that now mean ???

I no longer have to chop 1.4mm off but can simply throw it away ???

James, this really needs sorting out.

I have no interest in selling stuff.

I have no interest in the microsquirt module, it has all the issues I had to get over copied from the outdated V3.0 mainboard.

If you really got your act together you would come up with a way of "legally" using an MS2 card on a personal build.


But. somehow, rather than resolving the issue properly, I just think you are going to ban me from this forum.

[jsmcortina]

Ask the people that license the hardware. (That's not me.)

James

[racingmini_mtl]

James,

That's from the MS3 firmware license

This source code may only be used with official hardware:
A. Bowling and Grippo (B&G) MS3 (Megasquirt-3) hardware,
marked "MS3 v0.1 (C) 2009" and only with a Bowling and Grippo mainboard.
B. "MS3-Pro" from DIYautotune.com, marked "MS3-Pro V0.1 (C)2012"
C. "MS3-Pro module" from DIYautotune.com, marked "MS3-Pro Mod V1.0 (C)2012"
D. "MS3-Gold" from AEA/EFISource marked "V1 (C)2013"

It is not permissable to use the "S19" or "INI" files on other hardware, nor is
it permitted to copy sections of the sourcecode for any non MS3 product.

So the ECU in the picture posted above doesn't respect that. And that's your license.

If you want to amend that in any way that's your prerogative. But please don't dismiss it as not your issue.

Jean

EDIT: Actually, it does respect the license in that it is using the MS3 v0.1. But it goes against what I have personally been told when I was designing an ECU so there is inconsistency in what is done and said.

[MS2tester]

so maybe it,s time to come up with a new mainboard
as the V3 was still designed with the MS1 in mind

a new modular board in which you can decide how you want to build it and what to add
at the moment if you want to use an MS3 with peak and hold boards
you are already chopping things together
same with the ms2 sequential the board looks very empty without the stuff you don,t need

a new board in which you can add a MS2 card for transmission control
with an MS3 as main processor
able to plug in a tinyOx and VR boards for wheel speed sensing and other funtions
plug in knock module , time module
header for the injector drives on sot hey are seperate from the main board and you decide whether you go peak and hold or high impendance
and so on
you only pay for what you use

sort of a " 1 BOARD TO UNITE THEM ALL "

[retired]

Ask the people that license the hardware. (That's not me.)

James,

Do not try to dodge the issue.

Ban me instead because I dare to respond.

The B&G hardware licence is very flexible as I read it. You can use their code for any personal or educational reasons so long as it's not sold on.
But I don't use the B&G code, I use the MS-E code which you specifically state must be used on B&G hardware.
Do you want me to repeat that bit of your licence ???

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[color=#0000BF]MS2 cards are only licensed for use with Bowling and Grippo mainboards.
This license does not give permission to use the "S19" file on other
hardware or to use the "INI" file to tune other hardware
[/color]

[/b]

So, between you all, what is legal ???

I respect the software licence, I realise a lot of you put a lot of personal time into this for no gain, but I can't see why I can't "legally" use an MS2 card in my own motherboard especilly if have already bought a worthless V3.0 mainboard (worthless for my intended use).

This really needs sorting out.

Don't brush it under the carpet with "it's someone elses problem", the current licence is in your name.

[jsmcortina]

Ask Bruce - he is in control of the hardware. (I've sent Bruce an email with a link to this topic.)

James

[retired]

But I don't use his hardware (assuming you mean the V3.0 or similar mainboard).

It's not fit for purpose for what I need.

It's YOUR licence that says I have to.

I just use the MS2 card which, whilst not perfect, is OK.

Stop avoiding the issue or give me his email address (I can't find him on this forum) for a sensible debate.

[jsmcortina]

Ban me instead because I dare to respond.

I'll happily de-activate your user account if that is what you want. It only takes seconds.

But remember I'm mostly the messenger here and you are busy shooting me.

However, if you don't want to buy(EDIT) the hardware, then don't and don't use the firmware either. It is NOT some kind of right that you can use it.

James

[muythaibxr]

The B&G hardware licence is very flexible as I read it. You can use their code for any personal or educational reasons so long as it's not sold on.

Can you point to the specific license you read from B&G?

[muythaibxr]

Also, am I reading this correctly? You have purchased a B&G ms2 daughtercard and a V3 board, and you're just not using the V3 board, and instead using a board you designed for your own use?

Also, do not be hostile with James or myself, as neither of us is causing the problem you're dealing with. We want to help you, but your hostility makes that difficult.

[retired]

From the original B&G licence

"The project's schematics and software source codes are available for any home user/educator to use, experiment, modify, etc. (which every MegaSquirt® user has done}. The MegaTune software is also extremely flexible - if you can conceive of an new idea, and implement it within the existing the hardware/code, then chances are very good that MegaTune can accommodate it. The limitation is in the hardware itself - any commercial venture where the hardware is duplicated needs to be licensed, and the software needs to be run on licensed hardware. Again this is only for resale purposes only - home and school use the boards can be duplicated in small quantities as long as prior permission is sought from, and granted by, B&G. To restate this: No Bowling and Grippo board may be copied for any purpose without the express permission of Bowling and Grippo, regardless of whether it will be used with other legitimate B&G hardware or not."

Now I know the Extra code licence has been changed by James, and it is very unclear.

However the above states I don't need permission if it is not a "commercial venture"

You asked for the original and I have given it to you.

If you think I'm "hostile", well it isn't intended.

I would just like an answer to this.

Can you please just sort this out.

[jsmcortina]

Taking this to PM.

[retired]

PM'd and a long phone conversation ensued (we're both in the UK so it was easy).

I think my thoughts are now with James, and I understand his (and the whole talk was amicable) so I'll not comment on this thread in the future..

Rod.