7mgte sync loss while cranking

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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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Thanks for all the help so far :-)

OK so I made a bunch of progress but it still will not run.... I am no longer having sync issues


I also found one of the t connections in my vac line was plugged....

Now it wants to start:-) I've been playing around with the cranking pulsewidth, prime pulse and the ve table to try to get correct fuel to start but all I get is rpm picking up about 50-70 rpm every few seconds of cranking and exhaust telling me I am close..... No more backfires
1990 supra 7mgte ms3x v3.0
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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What is the best way once timing is set to get it to start? How do I know if I'm giving it not enough or too much fuel?
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

Post by nismoautoxr »

pull a plug or 2 and see if they are wet or dry.
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1995 Nissan 240sx, 403 LS strokerv8 N/A 6speed trans
MS3&MS3X v.3.0 PCB
42lb/hr Hi-Z inj.,230/232 @.050 on 114LSA cam
sequential fuel and sequential spark
LS3/LSA card MAF sensor
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MS3 2002 vvt motor
.60 trim T4 Turbo at 15 PSI
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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So what is timing err and why does mine go crazy??
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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So I am totally lost here, why when I set the cas like the Msextra website says to then shoot the crank with timing light is it 60°retarded?? That doesn't make sense to me... Also when I add the 60° to the tooth #1 angle (from 20 to 80)(everyone I see that's running a 7m on ms is using a trigger #1 angle of 20) the timing light says it's dead on and I get extremely loud backfires
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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well the logical conclusion would be that the cas is misindexed compared to other installs or there is a valve timing issue and naturally if you are firing the number one cylinder at 60* ATDC you will get exhaust bangs because its firing the mixture when the exhaust valve is open. Is your install on an engine that was running fine on a stock ecu or has the engine been apart since then ?
Ricky-
1995 Nissan 240sx, 403 LS strokerv8 N/A 6speed trans
MS3&MS3X v.3.0 PCB
42lb/hr Hi-Z inj.,230/232 @.050 on 114LSA cam
sequential fuel and sequential spark
LS3/LSA card MAF sensor
97 Mazda MX5
MS3 2002 vvt motor
.60 trim T4 Turbo at 15 PSI
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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stock engine was running fine



I got it running ...evidently that wiring diagram for the cas was wrong for my car...i probed the wires going to each sensor to figure this out....once i had it wired correctly it fired right up:)

how is she looking now???
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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cam signal still looks all jacked up picking up lots of extra teeth but the NE signal looks pretty nice. Im guessing by the looks of the cam signal you got it running on wasted spark.
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1995 Nissan 240sx, 403 LS strokerv8 N/A 6speed trans
MS3&MS3X v.3.0 PCB
42lb/hr Hi-Z inj.,230/232 @.050 on 114LSA cam
sequential fuel and sequential spark
LS3/LSA card MAF sensor
97 Mazda MX5
MS3 2002 vvt motor
.60 trim T4 Turbo at 15 PSI
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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No, its running full sequential which pot do I need to turn up to smooth that out?
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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cam signal pots are on the 3x board here, but, if its running good then you may choose not to mess with it right now. May also wanna give a read to this
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1995 Nissan 240sx, 403 LS strokerv8 N/A 6speed trans
MS3&MS3X v.3.0 PCB
42lb/hr Hi-Z inj.,230/232 @.050 on 114LSA cam
sequential fuel and sequential spark
LS3/LSA card MAF sensor
97 Mazda MX5
MS3 2002 vvt motor
.60 trim T4 Turbo at 15 PSI
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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i think i finally got it
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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looks pretty good indeed. Noticed a couple drops on the crank but all in all the tooth times are looking much much better and the cam does too. Good work man.
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1995 Nissan 240sx, 403 LS strokerv8 N/A 6speed trans
MS3&MS3X v.3.0 PCB
42lb/hr Hi-Z inj.,230/232 @.050 on 114LSA cam
sequential fuel and sequential spark
LS3/LSA card MAF sensor
97 Mazda MX5
MS3 2002 vvt motor
.60 trim T4 Turbo at 15 PSI
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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Thanks... How perfect does it need to be?
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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That log looks good to me too.

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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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Awesome now tuning
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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Jdmfreak wrote:Awesome now tuning
So what was the fix? Can you share a tune file?
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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Jdmfreak wrote:

I got it running ...evidently that wiring diagram for the cas was wrong for my car...i probed the wires going to each sensor to figure this out....once i had it wired correctly it fired right up:)
I missed your post somehow terrence,
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

Post by suberimakuri »

Hi guys, after reading his post about swapped wires I thought I'd better mention this.
On 4AGZE CAS, which is similar/same to 7MGTE the wire coloring coming out of the CAS changes at the CAS plug (15cm along the harness).
So if you go by the harness colors you might have incorrect color wires. This caused me a lot of grief.
Best is to pop cap of CAS and double check sensor wire colors, then trace through the plug and to your ecu.
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Re: 7mgte sync loss while cranking

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Same with the 7m, however the wire colors in the diagrams for the cas itself are wrong, always double check inside
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