Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
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Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
We are using a MS3X board with KTM 450 EXC Engine and stock VR sensor and crank wheel which contains 18 tooth , and one of those tooth is wider than the others.
I tried setting the ignition setting as 18-1 and 19-1 wheel but I always get a RPM sync loss signal such as this image:
And the RPM reading is about 9000 RPM while crancking .
Should I remove the wide tooth and configure as 18-1 or there is another way to avoid removing the teeth ?
And how could I know the reason of the RPM sync ?
And is it a must to wire other sensors , injectors and coils before testing the RPM signal ?
A Last question the wires between the sensor and the MS wiring harness are just crimped Can this introduce noise signal ??
Please find I attached the msq file:
Thanks in advance
I tried setting the ignition setting as 18-1 and 19-1 wheel but I always get a RPM sync loss signal such as this image:
And the RPM reading is about 9000 RPM while crancking .
Should I remove the wide tooth and configure as 18-1 or there is another way to avoid removing the teeth ?
And how could I know the reason of the RPM sync ?
And is it a must to wire other sensors , injectors and coils before testing the RPM signal ?
A Last question the wires between the sensor and the MS wiring harness are just crimped Can this introduce noise signal ??
Please find I attached the msq file:
Thanks in advance
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
megasquirt does not play nice with the long tooth setup, the teeth do look equally spaced so i think the 18-1 should work, how manu cylinders is the engine?
1990 bmw 320i daily driver with m20b25 ms3 sequential fuel, 380cc injectors, d585 coil near plug, home made cam sync, launch control, fan control, vss, homebrew egt logging what's next????
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
The engine is one cylinder
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Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
One wide tooth can be counted as a missing tooth - it's the "three short, one log" bike decoder that's tough. Can you post a copy of a tooth log?
Matt Cramer -1966 Dodge Dart slant six running on MS3X
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
I made this tooth log a while ago, But the ignition settings was set to basic trigger , would this make any difference to the tooth logger
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Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
Sorry, accidentally had something block the image. That trigger shape won't work - can you file off the long tooth and use it as a missing tooth?
Matt Cramer -1966 Dodge Dart slant six running on MS3X
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
Ok i am willing to remove the wide teeth but why the logs don't seem smooth? Is noise affecting the log shapes?
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
cant see the logs or log picks
1990 bmw 320i daily driver with m20b25 ms3 sequential fuel, 380cc injectors, d585 coil near plug, home made cam sync, launch control, fan control, vss, homebrew egt logging what's next????
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
This link contain both screenshots of teeth logger and composite logger:
http://imgur.com/IxUfm5A,ppPudDU
http://imgur.com/IxUfm5A,ppPudDU
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Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
The screen shot is too zoomed out. Please attach an actual composite log.
Matt Cramer -1966 Dodge Dart slant six running on MS3X
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
I finally cut the long teeth, But things aren't going very well, I get a cranking speed of 400 RPM which is reasonable and the teeth logger seems fine.
The problem persists in the TDC-(Teeth #1) angle below are the pictures of the wheel before and after cutting it.
The wheel is rotating in the anti-clockwise direction and the angle between TDC and teeth#1 is about 15 degrees.
I tried setting teeth #1 angle to 345(360-15) but the engine isn't starting yet.
The problem persists in the TDC-(Teeth #1) angle below are the pictures of the wheel before and after cutting it.
The wheel is rotating in the anti-clockwise direction and the angle between TDC and teeth#1 is about 15 degrees.
I tried setting teeth #1 angle to 345(360-15) but the engine isn't starting yet.
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
when the wheel is on tdc cylinder1 where is the sensor?
1990 bmw 320i daily driver with m20b25 ms3 sequential fuel, 380cc injectors, d585 coil near plug, home made cam sync, launch control, fan control, vss, homebrew egt logging what's next????
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
The sensor is pointing as the arrow named TDC is pointing
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
i would start at a tooth1 about 320ish then use a strobe to dial it in, do you get decent sync when cranking.
1990 bmw 320i daily driver with m20b25 ms3 sequential fuel, 380cc injectors, d585 coil near plug, home made cam sync, launch control, fan control, vss, homebrew egt logging what's next????
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
Yes , I get a decent sync as the sync loss counter doesn't increase and a cranking rpm of around 400 which should be reliable.
Re: Lost sync on 18 tooth with one wide teeth
have you checked the ignition timing with a strobe light?
1990 bmw 320i daily driver with m20b25 ms3 sequential fuel, 380cc injectors, d585 coil near plug, home made cam sync, launch control, fan control, vss, homebrew egt logging what's next????