Trigger wheel setup 36-1 And AC Pluss Pluss

[Meguiars]

Hi, i hope somebody can help me out with my 36-1 trigger wheel.

The car is a 280z with 81 turbo L28ET engine with MS2Extra, IGN-6, trigger wheel from DIY and a sensor "PNP" that i brought home from work, im working with Automation (swisslog.com)

I have AC and still want to use that, so i timed it up and i set the missing tooth together with the VR_pickup on the TDC mark "0" but that didnt work out to well.
so i moved the wheel with missing tooth down 7 teeth (anti clockwise) because i tryed to put it up til 12 o,clock aprox and then i had 7 tooth and changed
the angle to 70 degrees it didnt work either, thats why i tryed to put it the anticlockwise 7 tooth from TDC mark. What should the angle be?
70 degrees or 290 degrees?? Can i put the missing tooth where ever i want and just count the teeth to TDC?

Anyone got any good pics of how to set up the sensor on the alternator side, not AC side, where the missing tooth should be and settings in tunerstudio.

At least i got the car started, the timing was off, it doesnt mather if i set 70 degres or 290degrees, it still splutters and backfires.
but i had no more time at the moment since i had to go to work where i am writing this.

I started Trigger/tooth logger but at every time the missing tooth apears it comes with 2-Long spikes, Why???,
it should only be one -1- correct? with 35 small one between.

I took a log that you can see.

280Z_L28ET.msq

I just cant seem to get the car running right
The spark wires connected to the IGN-6 module is A: 1-6 B: 2-5 C: 3-4

Im also adding the tune that im using, take a look if you can.

I am SOOOO Close now, but i want to do it correct so i dont blow any headgasket.


All replyes are welcome

[Matt Cramer]

Can you also post a copy of the tooth log with the odd pattern? This will give us more to go on.

[Meguiars]

Hi thanx for reply, ill post the log file here.

I Think maybe that the VR sensor is wired backwords, since i get 2. Spikes at the missing tooth, i will try to change that later on today/tomorrow.
It backfires and another question is where the missing tooth should be, Think of it as a clock, my TDC is at 10 o'clock and my VR sensor is almo at the same position since i dont want to have the VR-sensor on the other side where the AC-pump is. where should the the missing tooth be 3-4-5-6-7 o'clock. i can count the tooth myself up to where the VR is when i get that far.

here is some pics i took today.

Feel free to do any changes in the .msq file, i want to use the MAF Infinity Q45 that i just mounted also, little unsure on how to set this up in a good way since i cant find any values for the MAF.

2014-07-22_14.11.40.csv

280Z_L28ET.msq

[Matt Cramer]

You're not getting several teeth near the missing tooth - the "gap" is way too long. Try adjusting the trim pots for a lower threshold voltage. Also, check the wheel for runout.

[Meguiars]

Hi, i have adjusted the sensor today, so now i getting a nice curve. But still no start, it backfires, i timed up the engine again today and placed the missing tooth 23 teeth counting clockvise from missing tooth to the sensor, or 13 teeth from the sensor to missing tooth counting anti-clockwise. i tryed to punch in 230 degree in tunerstudio, no help, so i tryed 130 degree also no good start either.

Is my sensor wrong?

Here is the data sheet, this is the sensor type. im12-04bps-zc1
http://www.sick-automation.ru/images/Fi ... 1/im12.pdf

I think this is an Normal Open type.

Thanx

[Meguiars]

You're not getting several teeth near the missing tooth - the "gap" is way too long. Try adjusting the trim pots for a lower threshold voltage. Also, check the wheel for runout.

If i dont remember wrong i turned back pot R52-R56 7 turns anticlockwise. But i can try to turn it back some more.

I have another sensor also that only has two -2- wires and polarity can be changed from PNP & NPN. But do the MS2Extra provide power to the sensor since it only has 2 wires + and - How complicated is it to setup the box for that instead. Im afraid to make any mistakes so i burn up the printboard.

Thanx

[billr]

Originally you said your sensor is VR, but the Sick ones you linked to are definitely not VR. Do you have a proper pull-up installed? Frankly, i think you are complicating the install, maybe even dooming it, by using that Sick industrial sensor. It may not be worth trying to use those, even if you get them for free! Here are a few things to consider:

1) Minimum input power specified is 10V, you may easily get below that while cranking.
2) Those are inductive sensors, not VR or Hall-effect. Industrial proximity sensors are usually designed to sense targets larger than "gear teeth". I didn't see any specs for target size vs sensing distance, so can't tell about those Sick ones.
3) Those are specified for several different mounting styles, "flush", "non-flush", and "semi-flush". What that means is sensing is affected by whether there is metal around or near the tip of the sensor; further indication that the sensing field is wide and maybe not good for gear-tooth use. Also, I saw no indication as to whether the target has to be ferrous or could be any metal

[Meguiars]

d***, i had a little thought it may be thats why, but the sensor is good for 15.000RPM at least what i was told.

Do you have any recomandations for a good sensor? Do you sell them? i had to ask, thats the way im learning (ive heard)

It should be with 2 wires right? ive seen some with 3 wires or am i wrong there also, hehe.

i really appreciate your efford and time to all of my stupid questions.

THX

[jsmcortina]

I've had success with standard Ford VR crank sensors. There's a huge choice of other sensors, but generally, for an automotive install - make sure you use an automotive sensor.

James

[Meguiars]

I've had success with standard Ford VR crank sensors. There's a huge choice of other sensors, but generally, for an automotive install - make sure you use an automotive sensor.

James

Any more spesific what model, does this work you think?

Mondeo 2.0 2.0D TDCi Diesel Duratorq 1998cc 16V 113bhp fra 09/2002 til 03/2007
Mondeo 2.2 2.2D TDCi 2198cc 150bhp Fra 08/2004 til 03/2007
Ford Transit 2.4 2.4D TDi TDCi Diesel 2402cc 135bhp Fra 03/2004 >
Ford Transit 2.0 2.0D TDi TDCi Diesel 1998cc 125bhp Fra 05/2002 til 12/2006
Ford Transit 2.4 2.4D TDi TDCi Diesel 2402cc 135bhp 140bhp 115bhp 100bhp Fra 03/2004 til 12/2006
Ford Transit 2.4 2.4D TDi TDCi Diesel 2402cc 135bhp 140bhp 115bhp 100bhp Fra 07/2006 >
Ford Transit 2.2 2.2D TDi TDCi Diesel 1998cc 135bhp Fra 07/2006 >

Fuel Parts parts number CS1339 samme som Ford part number 1143723

[Meguiars]

Just another stupid question, some of this cars come with VR-ABS sensors on the drivshaft/wheels, theyr counting as you know the trigger wheel on drivshaft, they can cope with some high temeratures and are pretty small in size.

Could that work?

The one im thinking of fits VAG cars

[Meguiars]

SMALL update.

Just found out that BMW e36 ABS sensor is a VR-sensor. That will be easy to get tomorrow, i will give that a go.

Good night

[jsmcortina]

I've had success with standard Ford VR crank sensors. There's a huge choice of other sensors, but generally, for an automotive install - make sure you use an automotive sensor.

James

Any more spesific what model, does this work you think?

I used crank sensors from Valencia engines in the Escort, Fiesta or Orion.

James

[Meguiars]

Here i hope this one works, im off work at 2 pm today so im going to pick it up then.

If someone sees that this is wrong type please give me a heads up before 2 pm.

Have a nice day to you all.

http://www.yoyoparts.com/oem/665162/ford-6502253.html

[Meguiars]

Hi, i got my new sensor today, ill post the article number later.

I mounted the sensor, timed the TDC, counted 6 teeth from missing tooth. i set the angle in Tunerstudio to 60degres.
The car started but i had to set the timing/angle of sensor back to 50 degrees.

It backfires a little but i think that is a fuel question, the timing is dead on with timinglight on crankwheel, nice.

For some reason i cant get the Q45 MAF to work, its connected to JS5, ??? with the return.

anyway ill get back with logs, since i had to call it the night after the car had started.

For now, use the correct VR-Sensor.

//Stian