Warmup indicationgoes off almost straight away?

itguy · Post by **itguy** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:30 am

Strange one this...

When using MT and watching in the 'realtime' display with all of the mini bar graphs on, it gives you the engine status at the bottom (cranking / running / afterstart / warmup / accel / deaccel etc) and I've noticed that almost immediatly after the engine has started the afterstart AND warmup both go off but the gamma correction is still getting the values from the warmup table...

Any ideas?

This is concerning me as I thought the EGO correction etc depended on it not being in afterstart/warmup mode etc but if thats not reporting what state its in correctly then that could cause me problems elsewhere.

Thanks

milosch01 · Post by **milosch01** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:06 pm

FWIW, I have the same problem (warmup mode off almost immediately). I am using 029r on a 2.2 board. I finally got the idle valve to get the air up to a point where it won't die so easily. But, warmup is still rough.

itguy · Post by **itguy** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:45 pm

Hmmm, interesting.

I'm running v3.0 PCB and 029q2 version...

There must be an answer to this.

woh · Post by **woh** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:37 pm

Does the warmup enrichment light (center LED) go off as well on the MS box?

Go to "Realtime Display" under "Tuning" What is the Coolant temperature when the 'Warmup' light goes off?

What is the Coolant temperature when the car is cold (ambient temperatue) after sitting for at least 3 hours?

Can you try this on a stimulator?

itguy · Post by **itguy** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:38 pm

I'll run a log tonight and post up, but from memory the car (cold) is around 18-20 degrees C and then the warmup light goes off almost straight away...

Not sure about the LED, will have to check

87quest-TSI · Post by **87quest-TSI** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:54 pm

I'm having the same problem.
The after start and warmup mode go off almost immediately after stariing the car, But the warmup enrichment light (center LED) stays on even after the temp is 190 deg. F.

I'm running MS1 v3.0 PCB and 029q2 version

87quest-TSI · Post by **87quest-TSI** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:27 pm

woh wrote:Does the warmup enrichment light (center LED) go off as well on the MS box?

Go to "Realtime Display" under "Tuning" What is the Coolant temperature when the 'Warmup' light goes off?

What is the Coolant temperature when the car is cold (ambient temperatue) after sitting for at least 3 hours?

Can you try this on a stimulator?

I jest tryed it with the stimulator and it dose the same.
It will not go into warmup mode no matter what the temp is at.
The warmup enrichment light Flashes and seems to fallow the injector duty cycle.
The cranking and the afterstart will not light up no matter how low the RPMs are while watching in the 'realtime' display.

woh · Post by **woh** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:31 pm

One thing at a time

The cranking and the afterstart will not light up no matter how low the RPMs are while watching in the 'realtime' display.

What rpm is the cranking set to?

Set the rpm to about 150rpm, turn off the power, turn the power back on. Does it go into cranking mode. Once MS leaves the cranking mode, it does not go back to the cranking mode even if the rpm goes way down.

87quest-TSI · Post by **87quest-TSI** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:00 pm

woh wrote:One thing at a time

The cranking and the afterstart will not light up no matter how low the RPMs are while watching in the 'realtime' display.
What rpm is the cranking set to?

Set the rpm to about 150rpm, turn off the power, turn the power back on. Does it go into cranking mode. Once MS leaves the cranking mode, it does not go back to the cranking mode even if the rpm goes way down.

That was with the stimulator hooked up.
On the car it dose show when it's cranking, but after it starts starts the warmup mode and afterstart go off almost immediately no matter what the temp is and the warmup enrichment light (center LED) stays on all the time.

woh · Post by **woh** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:00 pm

OK
Let's stick with one setup. Use the stimulator.

Make sure you can get the cranking indicator to work correctly with the stimulator. Then set rpm to about 1000

What coolant temperature sensor are you using? GM, Bosch etc?

Next, turn the coolant temperature from min to max. What are the temperatures min and max that are displayed for coolant?

Does the Fidle light turn off when going from min to max on the coolant?
At what temperature does it go off.

What is the setting of the Fidle temperature? (it is under constants)

87quest-TSI · Post by **87quest-TSI** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:55 pm

Make sure you can get the cranking indicator to work correctly with the stimulator. Then set rpm to about 1000

I did as you said in your other post and this is working correctly.

What coolant temperature sensor are you using? GM, Bosch etc?

I'm using a GM coolant temperature sensor.

Next, turn the coolant temperature from min to max. What are the temperatures min and max that are displayed for coolant?

Min. is 32 deg. F and max. is 435 deg. F if I go real slow with it.

Does the Fidle light turn off when going from min to max on the coolant?
At what temperature does it go off.

Changing the temperature did not do anything on the Fidle. How ever changing the RMP's above 400 rpms did turn it off.

I do have to everything was working fine untill I went from standard code to the MSnS-e 029q2 code.

superchargingmachine · Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:12 pm

What temp were you set to when you took the RPM over 400 and got Fidle to turn off?

87quest-TSI · Post by **87quest-TSI** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:03 pm

superchargingmachine wrote:What temp were you set to when you took the RPM over 400 and got Fidle to turn off?

I'll have to double check that, but I don't remember the temp making any difference on the Fidle.

87quest-TSI · Post by **87quest-TSI** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:15 pm

87quest-TSI wrote:
superchargingmachine wrote:What temp were you set to when you took the RPM over 400 and got Fidle to turn off?
I'll have to double check that, but I don't remember the temp making any difference on the Fidle.

OK I did some checking.

The Fidle only comes on with the RPM under 400 rpms no matter what the temp is. Over 400 rpm Fidle will not come on no matter what the temp is.

Few other things are I'm not using the fan/output4, but it flickes on and off.
And I'm not using the knock input, but the knocked is shown in red.
Should it be doing this?

itguy · Post by **itguy** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:06 pm

Few other things are I'm not using the fan/output4, but it flickes on and off.
And I'm not using the knock input, but the knocked is shown in red.
Should it be doing this?

Yes, thats the same for me too, I wonder if these are ini file setting changes though?

itguy · Post by **itguy** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:49 am

Here is my log file and MSQ from the warmup session I've done this morning.

I can confirm that the warmup values are still active although the indicator says they are not - changing the warmup table while running the engine changes the AFR so they must be active.

87quest-TSI · Post by **87quest-TSI** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:43 am

We I have tried a few things today.
I loaded the standard V3 code back on my MS to see if the warmup enrichment light (center LED) go's off or stays on when it's at temp.
As I remembered it work jest as it should as well as the warmup mode and afterstart.

So I deleted MT and MSnS-e 029q2 files and re downloaded both files and reinstalled every thing.

Now with all that done there is some improvement.
When I first start the car when cold the warmup mode and afterstart do work, but if I let the car sit for say a hour and start the car the warmup mode and afterstart go off as soon as the car starts and the warmup enrichment light (center LED) stays on as well no matter what the temp is.
How ever the Fidle work as it should now.

woh · Post by **woh** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:31 am

87quest-TSI

After you load the new firmware, do you also load the .msq file?

If so, do you get any errors? I usually get errors when I change from older firmware to the latest.

One you load the latest firmware you should go through all the dialogs and make sure the settings are correct. If not sure use the setting with the default marker "^"

87quest-TSI · Post by **87quest-TSI** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:16 am

woh wrote:87quest-TSI

After you load the new firmware, do you also load the .msq file?

If so, do you get any errors? I usually get errors when I change from older firmware to the latest.

One you load the latest firmware you should go through all the dialogs and make sure the settings are correct. If not sure use the setting with the default marker "^"

No I did not load a .msq file. I have been going though all the dialogs to set it back up.
I'm still trying to get every thing working right and haven't felt there been a setup worth saving as of yesterday anyway.