v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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turbothis
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v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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i have a factory ford duratec 3.0 VR sensor v6
m90 supercharger and 35lb injectors out of a saab turbo. lol
got it running after hours of reading and trying settings
runs great and idle perfect-0
just want to see if i am missing something before i start tuning......
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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well some how this ran fine at the time and now it wont run. gets close but does not kick off
i am very much suspect of the wheel decoding and the cop not firing much
i have run the dwell up to 10ms on cranking but nothing changes
any thoughts?
using this msq too

36-1 wheel aligned the same as EDIS6 (see EDIS)
trigger angle=70
Timebased cranking and 10deg cranking angle.
trig A=35
trig B=11
trig C=23
Use three VB921 to drive the coils and set LED17,LED18,LED19 as spark outputs.
Spark output "inverted"
Dwell control with 5ms cranking, 4ms running and a 0.1ms min discharge.

i really dont want to clutter up everything with the edis6 but it worked factory perfect!
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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have you put a timing light on it?
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turbothis
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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i dont own one
it is factory ford position/sensor and ran flawless on edis6
that should be the 6 tooth from gap right?
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
slow_hemi6
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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Honestly I would rather know what is happening than guess.
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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OK I will get a light and mark the
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
turbothis
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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well found out that hooking up the fan relay ground to the ms1 turns it off?
i have this to X2
X2 to ground to activate the relay


in spark settings, i put 45 in the fixed angle it runs real clean in the rpm range
if i move the trigger angle i dont get much difference...........
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
slow_hemi6
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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Whoa don't ever hook anything to x0 through x7, or any other pin that's straight of the processor, without an appropriate input or output driver circuit. Whichever suits your application.
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turbothis
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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whaaaaat
i am 99% sure this is how i ran the fan relay on my 4cylinder for a year or more
how do you wire in the fan relay then?
thanks for the reply by the way
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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You won't find a processor pin that can switch much better than 10mA to 15mA. This is the normal circuit to drive a relay from a processor pin. http://www.msextra.com/doc/pdf/html/MS2 ... .4-42.html Thats from the MS2 V3.0 manual but relay drive circuit is the same as you would connect to X2 (JS0 on a V3.0).
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turbothis
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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thanks
i think for now i will wing it on the fast idle circuit
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
turbothis
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Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:54 pm
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Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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but the launch control input just grounds to activate? jp1
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
turbothis
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Posts: 448
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:54 pm
Location: southern oregon

Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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so with a timing light and all the angles in spark settings set to zero it looks like 68 and +22.5 gets me good tdc in the balancer and timing cover
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
turbothis
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Posts: 448
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:54 pm
Location: southern oregon

Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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well.... i think i am going to throw this 200$ worth of parts in the trash and just rewire the edis6 in this
i just need it to work and ford seems to have nailed this
maybe someday if i get real bored i will spend more money and try again...........
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
turbothis
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Posts: 448
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:54 pm
Location: southern oregon

Re: v2.2 wheel decoder and spark settings double check

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rewired for edis6 and starts with just a touch of the button.
i tryed to be awsome sauce and failed
might work for some smarter guys but i like easy

oh and it dawned on me i ran the led18 for the fan not the x2
2002 Montero dakar rig
FORD 3.0L DOHC duratec / 6HP26
gt3582 boost to the moon
Ms3X running and making fire!

dodge M37 look-a-like 1 ton
4.2l chevy atlas / 6R80
66mm turbocharger ~8#
Ms3X sequential finally kicking some butt
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