New Product from TTR - Tip-over Switch with Delay

[dontz125]

One of the differences between carbed and FI bikes is that a carbed bike on its side will usually starve of fuel before the bearings starve of oil; a well-topped FI bike may very well keep running until the engine seizes. Just about every EFI bike comes with a tip-over / 'lean angle' sensor that tells the ECU that gravity has won this match, please switch off. Early models were simple mechanical switches, with the disadvantage that a little tail shimmy in a spirited corner could chop your engine, leading to Bad Things(tm).

Burning R6.jpg

Current Yamaha design practice uses a Hall sensor with a pendulum for a target as a lean-angle / fell-over sensor; if the ECU sees that the pendulum has been sitting at the end of its range for some predetermined time, it shuts down.

The MS and uS controllers don't have this ability to pause and think about it. A spare input could monitor the sensor value and trigger an output to block the FP relay signal, but it would be an 'ON/OFF' situation, like the original switches.

I have designed and built a stand-alone unit that is meant to be wired inline between the FP relay and pin 37 on the MS (pin 8 on the uS), and includes a timer that - after a 2.5-3 second delay - interrupts the FP signal for 10 sec. This still allows a pretty good jump sideways, but will switch off the engine quickly in the event of a crash.

Price is $50 + $10 shipping to the US, Canada, the UK, and most places. Delivery is currently 2-3 weeks.

(For those who recognise the pic - yes, that's an '06-07 R6, with a ruptured tank. No, my tip-over switch would not have saved it )

[arjay]

Just an FYI for other potential interested parties. We dealt with TTR Ignition systems, aka Don McPhail, extensively over the last 6 months with decidedly unfavourable results.

Ultimately we had to contact our credit card company and have them issue a $600 charge back in an effort to try and recover the money sent to him. On top of that, we bought roughly another $600 in ancillary purchases that were dependant on Don's work - which was never completed.

We have full documentation, from Don, including written invoices guaranteeing delivery etc. It became clear to use after 6 months that delivery was never going to happen. It culminated with a phone call at Christmas time talking about a need for $1,400 for developing 'quick shifters'. It's only in retrospect that we have to understand that this was an effort to attempt to gain yet more funds from us.

It is not my intent to malign Don McPhail or his company, TTR Ignition Systems. However, when I see that he is back here posting and active on this site, without a trace of shame, it's clear to me that something should be mentioned if for no other reason then to protect other 'newbies' to the Microsquirt product line.

It is intensely embarrassing to me to mention this at all. I don't like being 'taken' and certainly not to the extent of 6 months of my time along with a considerable amount of money.

We don't believe that Don ever order the parts required with the money provided. We asked him several times to provide pictures of the purchases or any other form of confirmation yet each request was side-stepped. Yet, during the time he was supposed to be completing our project he repeatedly told us that he was getting side-tracked. In the meantime, we found that he was releasing new products, such as the one mentioned above. We cannot help but think that he used our money, for 6 months, to fund these projects.

I brought this matter to a few other key people on this site in an effort to ensure that no other people that are new to the Microsquirt product lineup fall into the same trap that we did.

I realize that this will likely come as a shock to long-time users of this site but the fact is, we have extensive documentation to prove out our experiences. We would be happy to provide more information to anyone via Personal Messaging.

In closing, I'd like to apologize to the people on this site for bringing this matter to your attention. I find things like this very disgusting and they have unfortunately caused us to think negatively about the Microsquirt product line, and in some ways, the community. It is my hope that by posting this, you won't fall into the same pit that we did as I'm sure that most everyone here, as well as the products, are good.

I was not originally going to post about this issue, but seeing Don McPhail active on this site, as if nothing has happened, only tells me that this kind of situation could easily repeat itself.

Again, we have ample documentation from this seller to illustrate every single one of these issues. And let me be clear, this is by no means a comprehensive post outlining all of the things that this seller did. I've purposely not mentioned a great deal of incidents during that 6 month period....

[dontz125]

Please see my reply here.