Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Specifications, applications, part numbers, and prices for various OEM fuel injection components.

Moderators: jsmcortina, muythaibxr

Post Reply
Nitroking
Helpful MS/Extra'er
Posts: 131
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:03 am

Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Nitroking »

Hello,

I own a MS2'd Miata turbo and a small 1997 Ford Fiesta (EU) with a DHA Zetec SE 1.25 engine on it. I am thinking of installing a Megasquirt on it as well as I like in on the Miata.

I do have some questions regarding the install and wiring.

First of all I've been reading loads of posts saying about EDIS and how good this is and easy to install and that if you have EDIS you don't need a camshaft sensor for sequential ignition etc. My car however does have a camshaft sensor and has a 3 wire coilpack (wasted spark, grounded to head probably). I think the car is running on EEC-V and I've read on another post that it has EDIS inside the OEM ECU. But I am confused, if it has EDIS then why does it have a camshaft sensor as well? Plus, do I care if it has EDIS or not as long as it has a camshaft sensor?

So the crankshaft sensor is like this one:
Image

And the camshaft sensor is like the following:
Image

and the crank sensor calculates position based on a 36-1 pattern on the flywheel:
Image

The coil pack is like this:
Image

The cam+crank sensors look like they are VR. Will MS2 be able to handle them or will I need one more VR circuit? Is there a patern for this setup (I guess it is like most newer Zetec engines) or will I have to configure it on the trigger options etc?

Thank you in advance!
Last edited by Nitroking on Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:40 am, edited 1 time in total.
Miata NBFL 1.6 (EU), GT2560R, MS2Extra, Zeitronix.
Fiesta 1.25 Zetec-SE, N/A mods, MS3, AEM.
Matt Cramer
Super MS/Extra'er
Posts: 17499
Joined: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:08 pm

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Matt Cramer »

We've got a Zetec guide here that covers many of your questions:

http://www.diyautotune.com/tech_article ... _zetec.htm
Matt Cramer -1966 Dodge Dart slant six running on MS3X
Nitroking
Helpful MS/Extra'er
Posts: 131
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:03 am

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Nitroking »

Hi, thank you for your answer. I have seen your page which gave a lot of helpful info. But I was wondering, since I have a cam sensor, can't I run COPS or am I restricted to Wasted spark?
Miata NBFL 1.6 (EU), GT2560R, MS2Extra, Zeitronix.
Fiesta 1.25 Zetec-SE, N/A mods, MS3, AEM.
jsmcortina
Site Admin
Posts: 39585
Joined: Mon May 03, 2004 1:34 am
Location: Birmingham, UK
Contact:

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by jsmcortina »

With the cam sensor, you could run COPs as "wasted COP" which fires them every 360 degrees. This can work, but is running them at double the speed they were designed for.

Or run a wasted spark coilpack.

James
I can repair or upgrade Megasquirts in UK. http://www.jamesmurrayengineering.co.uk

My Success story: http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic ... 04&t=34277
MSEXTRA documentation at: http://www.msextra.com/doc/index.html
New users, please read the "Forum Help Page".
Nitroking
Helpful MS/Extra'er
Posts: 131
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:03 am

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Nitroking »

Maybe I am not getting something right. I do have crank+cam signal, then why can't I run COPS assuming I have made the mod with WLED and ALED?
Miata NBFL 1.6 (EU), GT2560R, MS2Extra, Zeitronix.
Fiesta 1.25 Zetec-SE, N/A mods, MS3, AEM.
hardline
Master MS/Extra'er
Posts: 503
Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:37 pm
Location: Peoria, IL

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by hardline »

You can run sequential COP if you know what the cam trigger profile is. On some engines, it is a single nub on the cam, on the Zetec VCT it is a 5 tooth wheel. I have the latter as I also run the variable cam timing engine.
2000 ZX2 : Sequential COP, MS3 + MS3X + TinyIOx, PWM Returnless Fuel, Flex Fuel, Variable Geometry Intake Manifold, Garrett GTX2863R .82AR housing @ 15 psi
Nitroking
Helpful MS/Extra'er
Posts: 131
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:03 am

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Nitroking »

Hi and many thanks for your answer! The camshaft has a single tooth that the cam sensor reads. Please check the following picture (the pic is in the future but you get the point :lol: ):

Image

At the right bottom you can see the cam sensor and the camshaft tooth. This probably indicates Cyl No1.. If I use a microsquirt do I need to make a second VR sensor for this car? What have you done on yours?

Thanks
Miata NBFL 1.6 (EU), GT2560R, MS2Extra, Zeitronix.
Fiesta 1.25 Zetec-SE, N/A mods, MS3, AEM.
grom_e30
Super MS/Extra'er
Posts: 4451
Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:44 pm
Location: UK

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by grom_e30 »

if you use a microsquirt v3 it already has 2 vr conditioners, so the crank and cam sensors should be fine, however it only has the ability to drive logic level coils so would not be able to drive the ford coil pack with out an external ignition amp, if you get 5v logic level cop's could drive all 4 sequentially using the ign outs and the led's as well, id check the injectors are highZ as the microsquirt can only really drive those.

i think.... the icv on those is a 2 wire pwm type so could drive that as well
1990 bmw 320i daily driver with m20b25 ms3 sequential fuel, 380cc injectors, d585 coil near plug, home made cam sync, launch control, fan control, vss, homebrew egt logging what's next????
Nitroking
Helpful MS/Extra'er
Posts: 131
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:03 am

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Nitroking »

Hello,

Sorry I was on vacation. Many thanks for your answer, that's exactly what I was thinking of. I am planning to use Toyota COPS which are logic level anyway. But are you sure the Ford coils are not logic style? They have a 3 wire connector so must be +12v,GND and Trigger.

As for the ICV you are correct, it is a 2 wire so probably just a solenoid like the one on my Miata so this shouldn't be a problem for MS.

If I want to run sequential injection can I use the JBPerf board? Where do you connect it?

Thank you
Nick
Miata NBFL 1.6 (EU), GT2560R, MS2Extra, Zeitronix.
Fiesta 1.25 Zetec-SE, N/A mods, MS3, AEM.
jsmcortina
Site Admin
Posts: 39585
Joined: Mon May 03, 2004 1:34 am
Location: Birmingham, UK
Contact:

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by jsmcortina »

The coilpack you posted a picture of is a high current wasted spark coilpack. It needs an external ignitor to drive it from the Microsquirt. This is covered in the Microsquirt Hardware manual

James
I can repair or upgrade Megasquirts in UK. http://www.jamesmurrayengineering.co.uk

My Success story: http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic ... 04&t=34277
MSEXTRA documentation at: http://www.msextra.com/doc/index.html
New users, please read the "Forum Help Page".
racingmini_mtl
Super MS/Extra'er
Posts: 9128
Joined: Sun May 02, 2004 6:51 am
Location: Quebec, Canada
Contact:

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by racingmini_mtl »

You can't run sequential injection on a 4-cylinder engine with a Microsquirt because there is no way to have 4 injector channels. And my board won't help with that.

Jean
jbperf.com Main site . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . jbperf.com Forum
Image
Nitroking
Helpful MS/Extra'er
Posts: 131
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:03 am

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Nitroking »

Thank you guys.

Racing mini I see. Can you explain which outputs is your board using on MS2 (not microsquirt)? Is it the Leds?
Miata NBFL 1.6 (EU), GT2560R, MS2Extra, Zeitronix.
Fiesta 1.25 Zetec-SE, N/A mods, MS3, AEM.
racingmini_mtl
Super MS/Extra'er
Posts: 9128
Joined: Sun May 02, 2004 6:51 am
Location: Quebec, Canada
Contact:

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by racingmini_mtl »

No it's not the LEDs. It is explained here. It's also in the manual.

Jean
jbperf.com Main site . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . jbperf.com Forum
Image
Nitroking
Helpful MS/Extra'er
Posts: 131
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:03 am

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Nitroking »

OK. Does the same apply to the MIcrosquirt Module as well? Can't it be modified to use seq injection?
Miata NBFL 1.6 (EU), GT2560R, MS2Extra, Zeitronix.
Fiesta 1.25 Zetec-SE, N/A mods, MS3, AEM.
jsmcortina
Site Admin
Posts: 39585
Joined: Mon May 03, 2004 1:34 am
Location: Birmingham, UK
Contact:

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by jsmcortina »

It all depends on your electronic skill level.
The Microsquirt-module is designed for ECU integrators and requires all of the connections to be made.
The "traditional" Megasquirt products can be self assemble if you choose and you would have the option to upgrade it internally to sequential.
The Microsquirt is off-the-shelf pre-assembled and batch fire.

James
I can repair or upgrade Megasquirts in UK. http://www.jamesmurrayengineering.co.uk

My Success story: http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic ... 04&t=34277
MSEXTRA documentation at: http://www.msextra.com/doc/index.html
New users, please read the "Forum Help Page".
Nitroking
Helpful MS/Extra'er
Posts: 131
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:03 am

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Nitroking »

Yes, I was thinking of an Microsquirt module so I can make a box and include the MAP sensor, maybe baro sensor etc inside and then solder the connections straight to a plug that makes ms pnp on my little car and I can easily swap to the stock ECU.

So if there is a way to do seq injection using the microsquirt module please let me know. Also, does the microsquirt module include the dual VR circuit on its latest version to cope for both my crank and cam signals?

Thank you
Nick
Miata NBFL 1.6 (EU), GT2560R, MS2Extra, Zeitronix.
Fiesta 1.25 Zetec-SE, N/A mods, MS3, AEM.
jsmcortina
Site Admin
Posts: 39585
Joined: Mon May 03, 2004 1:34 am
Location: Birmingham, UK
Contact:

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by jsmcortina »

Some of your questions are answered in the Microsquirt-module Developers Guide

James
I can repair or upgrade Megasquirts in UK. http://www.jamesmurrayengineering.co.uk

My Success story: http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic ... 04&t=34277
MSEXTRA documentation at: http://www.msextra.com/doc/index.html
New users, please read the "Forum Help Page".
Nitroking
Helpful MS/Extra'er
Posts: 131
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:03 am

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Nitroking »

I like that paper, thanks James.. However it is not stated if there is a double VR circuit.. So finally is there a way to make it do sequential injection with the microsquirt module?

What I don't understand is the connections needed to the JBPerf board, is there a pinout? I know there should be 2 outputs for Cyls 3 and 4. Inputs are INJ1 and INJ2? How is it powered? I 've read the following page but it isn't clear to me:
http://www.diyautotune.com/diypnp/docs/sequential.html

Thanks!
Miata NBFL 1.6 (EU), GT2560R, MS2Extra, Zeitronix.
Fiesta 1.25 Zetec-SE, N/A mods, MS3, AEM.
jsmcortina
Site Admin
Posts: 39585
Joined: Mon May 03, 2004 1:34 am
Location: Birmingham, UK
Contact:

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by jsmcortina »

Nitroking wrote:I like that paper, thanks James.. However it is not stated if there is a double VR circuit..
You didn't notice that there are VR1 and VR2 inputs?
So finally is there a way to make it do sequential injection with the microsquirt module?
Yes, you can use PT6 and PT7.

There's plenty more information that could be added to that manual, but as the module lower volume, the other varieties are higher priority.

James
I can repair or upgrade Megasquirts in UK. http://www.jamesmurrayengineering.co.uk

My Success story: http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic ... 04&t=34277
MSEXTRA documentation at: http://www.msextra.com/doc/index.html
New users, please read the "Forum Help Page".
Nitroking
Helpful MS/Extra'er
Posts: 131
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:03 am

Re: Ford Zetec SE 95-02 hardware (sensors,coils etc)

Post by Nitroking »

Thank you James. I did notice it and thought of it a bit after I posted.

Only think left now is to figure out how to connect the module to the PT6 and 7 and how to configure TS.
Miata NBFL 1.6 (EU), GT2560R, MS2Extra, Zeitronix.
Fiesta 1.25 Zetec-SE, N/A mods, MS3, AEM.
Post Reply