So where are excel attachments for table generation?

Jon k · Post by **Jon k** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:02 am

I asked a while ago and got no response - i cannot see the excel attachments for table generation... someone link me to a working one?

woh · Post by **woh** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:25 am

This one will create the basic ignition map of the original mechanical distributor if you know the amount of mechanical and vacuum advance. The data in it is for a 4 cylinder MGB

http://home.comcast.net/~whaussmann/MS_ ... on_map.xls

ptegler · Post by **ptegler** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:07 am

woah.... Werner..you're running 47° of advance on your
B!!!?? I though 36 was about the safe max f or the cam
in our b-series engines. Or are the numbers in the s.s.
scrambled or not totally realistic??? My own curves are
not nearly as advanced on my '73 BGT. which model dist ar
those numbers for?

tia

Paul Tegler

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:25:08 -0700
"woh" <whaussmann@comcast.net> wrote:

This one requires will create the basic ignition map of
the original mechanical distributor if you know the
amount of mechanical and vacuum advance. The data in it
is for a 4 cylinder MGB

http://home.comcast.net/~whaussmann/MS_ ... on_map.xls

------------------------
Werner
http://home.comcast.net/~whaussmann/wmg ... ameset.htm

Paul Tegler
ptegler@cablespeed.com
www.teglerizer.com

Posted by email.

Jon k · Post by **Jon k** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:00 am

I dont think thats it - under the "making initial timing map" there were like 4 or so excel spreadsheets... i dont have a distributor, i have a bmw inline 6 with coil on plug.. those excel spreadsheets are no longer there

woh · Post by **woh** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:15 am

Paul

The beauty of MS is that I can simulate any distributor including the older pre emission distributors with ported vacuum.

This is from the older distributors. Note the 47 deg is under vacuum. The numbers are the recommended for mechanical advance and vacuum from "How to power tune MGB 4-cylinder engines" by Peter Burgess. The max advance for mechanical advance he recommends is 34 degrees @ 3000 rpm. (20 + 14)

"... 20º maximum at around 3000 rpm, ... static timing of 14 degrees at idle... For road use it is best to retain a vacuum advance ... with similar characteristics to the chrome bumber type is best. " I used 13 degrees max. for vacuum.

ptegler · Post by **ptegler** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:09 am

he he... yep... I realized how stupid my comment was
...just after I sent it. I had only glanced at the s.s.
and saw the table with 47 in the lower right corner...
thinking your generated table was setting 47 'aditional'
to initial timing .
yep... Burgess's book is a great reference for this type
of stuff. I too run the earlier curves on my L headed (IE
high compression head) '73 BGT. IT will probably be my
next FI project now that the Spit6 is complete. I figure
my daily driver should get as much attenetion as the
Spitfire does. I'll have to add this project to the
teglerizer F.I. pages of the site as well.

ptegler

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:15:26 -0700
"woh" <whaussmann@comcast.net> wrote:

Paul

The beauty of MS is that I can simulate any distributor
including the older pre emission distributors with port
vacuum.

This is from the older distributors. Note the 47 deg is
under vacuum. The numbers are the recommended for
mechanical advance and vacuum from "How to power tune MGB
4-cylinder engines" by Peter Burgess. The max advance for
mechanical advance he recommends is 34 degrees @ 3000
rpm. (20 + 14)

"... 20º maximum at around 3000 rpm, ... static timing
of 14 degrees at idle... For road use it is best to
retain a vacuum advance ... with similar characteristics
to the chrome bumber type is best. " I used 13 degrees
max. for vacuum.

------------------------
Werner
http://home.comcast.net/~whaussmann/wmg ... ameset.htm

Paul Tegler
ptegler@cablespeed.com
www.teglerizer.com

Posted by email.

Jon k · Post by **Jon k** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:22 am

Ok but back to the original question there were like 4 or so example excel files in the stick about initial timing map with things like boost and what not, and now they're all gone!

ptegler · Post by **ptegler** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:42 am

I just pulled down the s.s. copy directly from the email
link in Werner's post earlier in this thread. Other than
that...I'm not sure which s.s. you're talking about.

Go to the Forums site proper, and back peddle through the
thread and look for Werner's link to his s.s. on his
website.

ptegler

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:22:42 -0700
"Jon k" <jkensy@comcast.net> wrote:

Ok but back to the original question there were like 4
or so example excel files in the stick about initial
timing map with things like boost and what not, and now
they're all gone!

Paul Tegler
ptegler@cablespeed.com
www.teglerizer.com

Posted by email.

woh · Post by **woh** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:33 pm

Paul,

There were some additional Excel spread sheets under this sticky forum:
http://www.msefi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9941

However the spread sheets are gone. Probably due to the last virus attack.

Jon,

I'm sure Lance has seen this thread and is looking to restore the files. It may take a bit of time. The data under the above thread (not a spread sheet) will allow you to create the ignition table for any engine.

Possibly after someone who has the Excel spread sheet sees this post they will create a link to it. At this time, the best I can tell, no one can attach a file to a post. Lance is working on that.

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