Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
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Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
I have a customer with an injected Z1300 6 cylinder Kawasaki who wants to have programmeable EFI fitted to his bike.
Anyone on here done a conversion to a Z1300?
Search function hasnt revealed much.
Cheers
E
Anyone on here done a conversion to a Z1300?
Search function hasnt revealed much.
Cheers
E
The older we get, the faster we used to be...
1980 Ducati 900SSD injected with Microsquirt.
1980 Ducati 900SSD injected with Microsquirt.
Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
I'm interested, can't wait to watch this conversion (that is, if you make an ongoing forum thread with lots of pictures and videos and discussions of the technical/mechanical work being done).
Question for you: Will the FI parts from the Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager engine fit onto the Z1300 engine? If they'll fit that puts you really close to a workable solution. Probably wouldn't be too difficult to retro-fit some modern injectors into a ZN1300 FI intake manifold. Then you're just down to finding places on the bike to hide all of the FI elements (the Z1300 having a rather old-school, see-through appearance doesn't give you a lot of options to place things).
I see that the Z1300 fuel tank is an old-school hump-backed style tank which will make fitting an in-tank pump nearly impossible (or just very impractical due to the resulting reduction in space/volume within the tank). So that means you'll end up having to find some place on the bike to hide an external fuel pump. On my Suzuki GSF400 FI conversion I moved the battery to the tail of the bike and used the space that the battery used to occupy for the new external fuel pump location.
Question for you: Will the FI parts from the Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager engine fit onto the Z1300 engine? If they'll fit that puts you really close to a workable solution. Probably wouldn't be too difficult to retro-fit some modern injectors into a ZN1300 FI intake manifold. Then you're just down to finding places on the bike to hide all of the FI elements (the Z1300 having a rather old-school, see-through appearance doesn't give you a lot of options to place things).
I see that the Z1300 fuel tank is an old-school hump-backed style tank which will make fitting an in-tank pump nearly impossible (or just very impractical due to the resulting reduction in space/volume within the tank). So that means you'll end up having to find some place on the bike to hide an external fuel pump. On my Suzuki GSF400 FI conversion I moved the battery to the tail of the bike and used the space that the battery used to occupy for the new external fuel pump location.
Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
It is already fuel injectedewflyer wrote:I'm interested, can't wait to watch this conversion (that is, if you make an ongoing forum thread with lots of pictures and videos and discussions of the technical/mechanical work being done).
Question for you: Will the FI parts from the Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager engine fit onto the Z1300 engine? If they'll fit that puts you really close to a workable solution. Probably wouldn't be too difficult to retro-fit some modern injectors into a ZN1300 FI intake manifold. Then you're just down to finding places on the bike to hide all of the FI elements (the Z1300 having a rather old-school, see-through appearance doesn't give you a lot of options to place things).
I see that the Z1300 fuel tank is an old-school hump-backed style tank which will make fitting an in-tank pump nearly impossible (or just very impractical due to the resulting reduction in space/volume within the tank). So that means you'll end up having to find some place on the bike to hide an external fuel pump. On my Suzuki GSF400 FI conversion I moved the battery to the tail of the bike and used the space that the battery used to occupy for the new external fuel pump location.
Check injectors could be low resistance type.
Also check FPR might be 2,5 Bar.
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Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
I don't think a Microsquirt will run a 6 cylinder ITB motor.
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Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
Why wouldn't it work with batch/bank injection and wasted spark?whittlebeast wrote:I don't think a Microsquirt will run a 6 cylinder ITB motor.
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I thought a Microsquirt has just two Ignition Drivers. I could be wrong as I do not play with Microsquirts very often.
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Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
With the MS2/Extra code you can use the WLED and ALED outputs as ignition outputs (spark C and D). It's in the manual: http://www.msextra.com/doc/pdf/html/Mic ... .4-58.html. So you can have COP ignition for 3 and 4 cylinder engines and wasted spark for 6 and 8 cylinder engines.whittlebeast wrote:I thought a Microsquirt has just two Ignition Drivers. I could be wrong as I do not play with Microsquirts very often.
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Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
Hey guys
Yes the bike is currently injected so its all pretty straightforward.
I have read of a few who have injected the stock bike tho but not paid a lot of attention really.
Ill have a discussion with the owner and a good long look and load test the wiring on the bike to determine if we just use the existing wiring or build a new loom for it. perhaps just replace all the plugs might be a cost effective compromise.
Ive been trying to contact Don McPhail from TTRIgnitions for several weeks with regards to making us a 6 channel Quadramap sensor but no luck yet. I have done another post but does anybody know if hes still in business?
Cheers
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Yes the bike is currently injected so its all pretty straightforward.
I have read of a few who have injected the stock bike tho but not paid a lot of attention really.
Ill have a discussion with the owner and a good long look and load test the wiring on the bike to determine if we just use the existing wiring or build a new loom for it. perhaps just replace all the plugs might be a cost effective compromise.
Ive been trying to contact Don McPhail from TTRIgnitions for several weeks with regards to making us a 6 channel Quadramap sensor but no luck yet. I have done another post but does anybody know if hes still in business?
Cheers
E
The older we get, the faster we used to be...
1980 Ducati 900SSD injected with Microsquirt.
1980 Ducati 900SSD injected with Microsquirt.
Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
I wouldn't get my hopes up to high for that. Don was always on-and-off. It seems he definitely has skill and ambition, but those positives are apparently hampered/derailed by health problems (and there may be other negative factors I don't know about).Tassuperkart wrote: Ive been trying to contact Don McPhail from TTRIgnitions for several weeks with regards to making us a 6 channel Quadramap sensor but no luck yet. I have done another post but does anybody know if hes still in business?
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E
In case you might doubt what I'm saying, here's my personal experience: A few years back (late 2013 I think) I purchased a QuadraMAP (his original 4-channel model) and a couple other items from Don for my Suzuki GSF400 FI project. It took quite a while, but he eventually delivered the order. Next, on June 10 of 2016, I placed another order with Don for a 2-channel QuadraMAP along with a Tip-Over Switch and one of his Dual-Spark Modules (this order was for my Kawasaki EX250 FI project).
Today is September 29 of 2017 and I still haven't received the items in this order (yes, I paid for them when I ordered them). It's been almost a year and a half and I've emailed him numerous times, I've been very patient and as understanding of his personal difficulties as I can be. At this point I'm not expecting to ever receive this order and I've moved on with my projects.
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Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
Hi mate
Yes I know about Don and his health issues.
I have actually been in touch with him just this week and hes in the middle of yet another episode of whatever it is that afflicts him.
Hes well aware of the backlog of orders and is very apologetic about it.
Ill set the Z1300 up on a small "plenum" fed by the 6 cylinders to begin with but I might use an additional MAP sensor just on #1 for cam phasing rather than delving into this beautiful old bike trying to fit a cam sensor in.
Its a bit of a kludge but its not like the ECU needs to see cam position that accurately just for phasing.
Cheers
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Yes I know about Don and his health issues.
I have actually been in touch with him just this week and hes in the middle of yet another episode of whatever it is that afflicts him.
Hes well aware of the backlog of orders and is very apologetic about it.
Ill set the Z1300 up on a small "plenum" fed by the 6 cylinders to begin with but I might use an additional MAP sensor just on #1 for cam phasing rather than delving into this beautiful old bike trying to fit a cam sensor in.
Its a bit of a kludge but its not like the ECU needs to see cam position that accurately just for phasing.
Cheers
E
ewflyer wrote:I wouldn't get my hopes up to high for that. Don was always on-and-off. It seems he definitely has skill and ambition, but those positives are apparently hampered/derailed by health problems (and there may be other negative factors I don't know about).Tassuperkart wrote: Ive been trying to contact Don McPhail from TTRIgnitions for several weeks with regards to making us a 6 channel Quadramap sensor but no luck yet. I have done another post but does anybody know if hes still in business?
Cheers
E
In case you might doubt what I'm saying, here's my personal experience: A few years back (late 2013 I think) I purchased a QuadraMAP (his original 4-channel model) and a couple other items from Don for my Suzuki GSF400 FI project. It took quite a while, but he eventually delivered the order. Next, on June 10 of 2016, I placed another order with Don for a 2-channel QuadraMAP along with a Tip-Over Switch and one of his Dual-Spark Modules (this order was for my Kawasaki EX250 FI project).
Today is September 29 of 2017 and I still haven't received the items in this order (yes, I paid for them when I ordered them). It's been almost a year and a half and I've emailed him numerous times, I've been very patient and as understanding of his personal difficulties as I can be. At this point I'm not expecting to ever receive this order and I've moved on with my projects.
The older we get, the faster we used to be...
1980 Ducati 900SSD injected with Microsquirt.
1980 Ducati 900SSD injected with Microsquirt.
Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
Well, do please let me know if you manage to get anything out of Don. If you do maybe I'll try again to get him to deliver my order (a year and a half later).
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Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
I have actually spoken to Don since my last post.
He made no secret that he has a lot of work to get out and many obligations to cover.
E
He made no secret that he has a lot of work to get out and many obligations to cover.
E
The older we get, the faster we used to be...
1980 Ducati 900SSD injected with Microsquirt.
1980 Ducati 900SSD injected with Microsquirt.
Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
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Re: Microsquirt on Z1300 Kawasaki
I have built my own microprocessor-based version of a synchromap including cam sensor emulation and CAN output for various processed MAP-variants (http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic ... synchromap).
It could be easily used synchromap-style outputting the lowest value and deliver the cam signal via a digital output. I'm using this for some time now and it worked flawlessly so far. I don't intend to commercialise this and can provide instructions how you could build one yourself and provide code for it. What I however can not provide is a plug&play product as I have no means (and time) to build these in a non-prototype way.
For a 6-cylinder, I guess it wouldn't be worth it for me however as sensor costs outvalue the benefits for me. Sensors are the major cost, depending on how you source them.
I'd rather just build a much simpler version of the microprocessor-thingie with a single map sensor, no CAN. For around 20$ (Arduino Nano + a 5V compatible 1bar Map sensor) you could have a cam-sensor emulator, automatically compensated for altitude. Could provide ready-to-upload code and soldering instructions. PM me if you're interested.
It could be easily used synchromap-style outputting the lowest value and deliver the cam signal via a digital output. I'm using this for some time now and it worked flawlessly so far. I don't intend to commercialise this and can provide instructions how you could build one yourself and provide code for it. What I however can not provide is a plug&play product as I have no means (and time) to build these in a non-prototype way.
For a 6-cylinder, I guess it wouldn't be worth it for me however as sensor costs outvalue the benefits for me. Sensors are the major cost, depending on how you source them.
I'd rather just build a much simpler version of the microprocessor-thingie with a single map sensor, no CAN. For around 20$ (Arduino Nano + a 5V compatible 1bar Map sensor) you could have a cam-sensor emulator, automatically compensated for altitude. Could provide ready-to-upload code and soldering instructions. PM me if you're interested.
My project: Link