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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby UnaClocker » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:41 pm

bowtievette wrote:Yes, that was my post. I "hear" Jame "say" he got this cut of sales (in VA?). Maybe he was BS'ing, don't know. He can clear this up. Removing post is not very convincing though. No more to say on ths.

Yeah, in Virginia.. So LONG before MS3 was out, was he even doing MS2-Extra yet at that point? Just takes a little common sense to see you either heard wrong, or confused someone else (Lance maybe?) as James. Lance is about the only one I could imagine getting a cut of the "profits", and that'd be for his tech support in the forums and his work on the MegaManual, and more recently on his GPIO project, but again, the VA meet was pre-GPIO era..
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby bowtievette » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:59 pm

I understood as cut of main boards out then (v2/v3?). James (the "english bloke") can confirm/deny?
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby HotStreetVw » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:26 pm

I don't think anyone begrudges James (or anyone else) a cut, but asking for donations on top appears dishonest if they imply that they getting by on donations only. So if James could deny this, it would settle the minds of those who have donated and those who might donate.
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby Bruce Bowling » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:47 pm

I was the one who "trimmed" the post.

OK - we (B&G) "give" the major developers of megasquirt items like extra hardware in order to implement and test code, and $$$s to purchase needed tools (i.e. server space to support this forum, for instance). Also we give a very small amount of dollars to them as funds dictate - which then gets sucked right back into MS.

Let me say that the absolute tiny amount of money made is by no means even close to any sense of real payment with respect to the astronomical amount of time and effort put forth by the developers. Let me make it clear that MS is not a profit center by any sense of the word, anyone thinking otherwise needs a real education. We (B&G, resellers, etc) are not getting rich or rolling in $$$s - in fact it right on borderline break-even and losing ground everyday. Having discussions on this topic is extremely distasteful to me because it undermines all of the efforts placed forth by many people.

If anyone wants to discuss this further please contact me directly.

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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby prof315 » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:28 pm

I certainly don't begrudge any of the developers. Firmware, hardware, tuning software, ALL of the developers deserve every cent they can get. Do you know how much Motec charges for trackside support?!!! A lot and lets leave it at that. The free support we get alone is worth anything we can spare nevermind having firmware THAT ACTUALLY GETS FIXED WHEN BUGS ARE FOUND!.

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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby woh » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:45 pm

When first joining this forum I too asked who pays for this forum, the development and etc.? To the credit of Lance and Bruce they were very forthcoming. I appreciate that and believe these kinds of questions must be answered.

There is no doubt in my mind and I believe in the minds of most of us, that the developers of MegaSquirt are not at all rewarded financially in keeping with their contributions. The contributions are enourmous and valued by all of us. The cost to users of the hardware, software, and technical support would indicate a huge subsidy from somewhere. Certainly James, Ken, Phil and Bruce are major contributors as are many others, now and in the past (e.g. Phil Ringwood, Eric Fahlgren come to mind). Mind you this is the MS/Extra stuff not to mention the MS B&G forum and code. Thank you.

We must however have these discussions openly and freely so that those who are new to the forum understand. There must be some income. There are costs beyond just the time of the individuals. This forum for example, Prototypes, tools, research etc.

Also lets not forget the many individuals of this forum that share valuable insights, advise and patience answering questions and doing research to help users. And those individuals that report problems of the hardware and software. All together this has been an enormous effort that is not reflected in the cost but only by all the participation both large and small.

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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby 24c » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:39 am

Bruce Bowling wrote:..Having discussions on this topic is extremely distasteful to me because it undermines all of the efforts placed forth by many people..

I have just seen these thread, and I'd like to add my 2¢...

I started exploring EFI options years ago, when the project boards were huge in comparison with what you have now. I also know from my own personal experiences of developing odd and sods for my own hobbies, so that others can reap the benefits of my thinkings, there is a small segment that assume you are making a killing. No small scale production run is ever profitable, because the time taken to detail it far outweighs any commercial benefit. If it's a bespoke model car for a wealthy owner great, but a set of stainless steel bobbins for a motorbike or a bespoke oil filter kit for an old car you have no chance.

These "products" folks are making are an act of commercial lunacy, they are never going to hit the motherlode. The pleasure is in achieving, and I imagine the negative criticism provokes quite a bit of soul searching for the instigators & facilitators of these projects.

I would like to say do not be disheartened by these comments, it takes all sorts of people to make a world, and a few are showing their true colours. I am genuinely appreciative of all your efforts, and even though my EFI journey hasn't always been smooth, it has been an education, I have met some nice people on the way, and shared a common interest with many from all over the globe. 8)
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby BZR Se7en » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:40 pm

Done! Not a huge amount, but I won't feel quite so guilty about my silly questions and the use of other's intellectual property.
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby wrenchdad » Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:08 pm

You guys ROCK !!!! :yeah!:

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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby gurov » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:49 am

donated ( ms3)

as i've said before, i'm fairly invested in this system, looking forward to actually getting the code and being able to test things out that way as well.
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby EspeNS » Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:37 pm

Donated 100$ for the good work on MS3 :)
Now that I actual geting more an more functions to work, I see what a powerful and wonderful tool this is :yeah!:
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby fixmann » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:29 pm

Thanks to all the people behind MS.
Imagine how big the university must have been to house all the "students" that have been and still is learning EFI from Megasquirt.
Actually schools are using MS to teach new machanics about EFI.
Alot of space needs to be used to sum up all the good things MS have broght to the wourld.

Again thanks to the MS-staff and i think we should inklude their families.

Some $ sendt, will be moore later.

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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby riceandbeans » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:04 pm

Is there a mailing address I can send a check to donate to? I'm paranoid and I hate paypal. Call me old-fashioned. *twirls moustache and straightens flatcap*

PS: I vote for a group buy lap dance for the developers :D
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby jsmcortina » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:04 pm

riceandbeans wrote:PS: I vote for a group buy lap dance for the developers :D

Maybe you can sort something out at MegaMeet 2011.

I can supply, repair or upgrade Megasquirts in UK.

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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby 66FairlaneGTer » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:35 am

Done as well. I would like to add, my appreciation stems from not just the hardware, which is more user friendly than anything else on the market, in my opinion, but in the quick responses I have had in these forums. You all have given me something that literaly is worth more money than I could ever give you all, and that is education and information. I truly am indebted to you all. I will send more in the years to come, I am sure.
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby Peter Florance » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:25 am

jsmcortina wrote:
riceandbeans wrote:PS: I vote for a group buy lap dance for the developers :D

Maybe you can sort something out at MegaMeet 2011.


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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby chense » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:48 am

@James, Ken, Phil, Jean - can you please setup a subscription-mode on PayPal donation accounts, to enable recurring payments/donations (these should be the instructions: ... ctory.html)?

Why doesn't Phil (LT401Vette) have a donate button? Same for recurring donations.

And if somebody stays subscribed / donates for more than 3 consecutive months, more than X (set a bar) $, put him in special forum group (supporting members).

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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby LT401Vette » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:32 am

Why doesn't Phil (LT401Vette) have a donate button? Same for recurring donations.

My support comes through registration of TunerStudio and MegaLogViewer.

The firmware guys are dependent on donations.
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby Reverant » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:13 am

You guys are AWESOME. Donated again!
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Re: MSEXTRA donations

Postby kjones6039 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:00 pm

Just dropped a few $ at PayPal.. Not much for what I have received for sure!
I will send more when I can.

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