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popping after burn

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Hello,
after I make changes to cells when tuning for a idle,, there is popping through the exhaust? I'm in the VE and ADV tabs when this happenes..I have to shut the car off/restart sometimes 2 or 3 times before it stops?
At the end of this datalog, you can see it goes crazy..

TUNER STUDIO V2.6.19 MS2/EXTRA RELEASE 3.3.3

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Re: popping after burn

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It's normal with MS2/Extra. The ECU often "misses a beat" while burning changes.
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Re: popping after burn

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Thanks Matt,, I noticed today that it did not do it when the cells I adjusted, were not where the cursor was.. don't know if that makes a difference??
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Re: popping after burn

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this is starting to get worse,, I didn't even have the computer hooked up today and it happened,, no burning no nothing,, just go start the car and this
is what it looks like,, I have to restart the car 2-3 times to get it to quit??????
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Re: popping after burn

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Please post the MSQ too.
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Re: popping after burn

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There was a reset between the MARKs in that file.

Possible flyback / wiring issue?
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Re: popping after burn

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Matt Cramer wrote:Please post the MSQ too.
it's in my sig


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Re: popping after burn

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waybad wrote:
Matt Cramer wrote:Please post the MSQ too.
it's in my sig


TUNER STUDIO V2.6.19 MS2/EXTRA RELEASE 3.3.3
That's not the msq. Read the forum help page (link at the top of the page).

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Re: popping after burn

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ooops,, I am very sorry,, I am still learning what needs to be posted,, I hope this is what's needed?
Again I'm sorry for being a idiot here.. Thank you for looking!!
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Re: popping after burn

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I see a voltage drop after the burn,, is that normal? It's resetting the ASE,, Normal? any more help is appreciated,, this is keeping me from driving,,, don't want to get stuck out somewhere..
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Re: popping after burn

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waybad wrote:I see a voltage drop after the burn,, is that normal? It's resetting the ASE,, Normal? any more help is appreciated,, this is keeping me from driving,,, don't want to get stuck out somewhere..
Thanks for looking..Tinker
On MS2/Extra there is the "Burn-stumble" this is covered in the manual.

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Re: popping after burn

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jsmcortina wrote:
waybad wrote:I see a voltage drop after the burn,, is that normal? It's resetting the ASE,, Normal? any more help is appreciated,, this is keeping me from driving,,, don't want to get stuck out somewhere..
Thanks for looking..Tinker
On MS2/Extra there is the "Burn-stumble" this is covered in the manual.

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Thanks James for looking,,
but it doesn't go away until I cycle power,, this burn stumble also happens without doing a burn,, on start up sometimes????
like a first start of the morning or when I get home from work,, no computer hooked up at all????
Again thank you for taking the time to help me..
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Re: popping after burn

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here is a video of it popping AFTER a burn, it will not clear up unless I do a restart??
Today I just went and started it, without anything hooked up, it had a 2k high idle and was popping.. restarted 3 times
later and it calmed down to the previous days idle and quit popping! turned off and did a restart and it was popping again???
it's like it looses its mind(tune) at random start ups?and burns? if I update to the latest firmware will I loose my tune?.. I'm totally lost as what to do.
I'm going to take the circuit board out and do a complete clean an paint it with clear tomorrow, but I don't know what else to do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xiJ4Nf ... load_owner

Thanks again for all of everybody's help and patience
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Re: popping after burn

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Burn stumble is a distinct, one time hiccup after clicking "Burn to ECU". Having this happen at any other time is a different and unrelated problem.

Do you have a data log of what's happening in this video?

You can load an old tune into new firmware - it's just a few settings will be different.
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Re: popping after burn

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Matt,, thanks for all your time,, I have updated the firmware and it seems to have taken care of it :yeah!: I have made several restarts and no popping!!
The burns are now just a burn stumble like everyone said is normal.. Thank everyone for your help.. now to learn the new software additions..
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